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USnLFCfan
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Post #31
Tuesday August 25, 2015 5:27pm

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Original post from 2tone

A goal is a goal. Who cares if it was meh.


Lol. Just pointing out that it wasn't a worldy if anyone wanted to know. Chill.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #32
Tuesday August 25, 2015 5:47pm

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Original post from MSantoine

He shouldnt be looking for a loan to a lower league. At his age he should be getting consistent minutes in the championship if he has any hope of being a decent epl starter


+1 this. It's a problem he hasn't cracked the first team yet. Unless we are content with producing average strikers
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hamsamwich
Post #33
Tuesday August 25, 2015 7:32pm

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Original post from MSantoine

He shouldnt be looking for a loan to a lower league. At his age he should be getting consistent minutes in the championship if he has any hope of being a decent epl starter
if he can't play in the championship - how is he going to get minutes in the EPL???

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #34
Tuesday August 25, 2015 7:50pm

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The problem is the first team boss. Clarke has never been one for promoting youth.

MSantoine
Post #35
Tuesday August 25, 2015 9:08pm

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Original post from hamsamwich

if he can't play in the championship - how is he going to get minutes in the EPL???


My point is that if he cant get minutes in the championship league as an 18 year old the chances of him ever being EPL starter are slim to none. There are 18 year olds pushing for EPL minutes. If he has to go to League One or lower to get minutes at this age he isnt a very good prospect

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #36
Tuesday September 19, 2017 6:01pm

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Why you should be paying attention to Andrija Novakovich regardless that he is currently playing in the second division in the Netherlands.

He has already made multiple team of the weeks in the erestedivisie. Almost every week he has been in the team of the week. He has 2 goals in 5 appearances. He is always looking dangerous and always leading the line. If he has a good year I would imagine Eredivisie clubs will come calling. He needs to leave Reading for good.

Know Nothing
Post #37
Tuesday September 19, 2017 6:42pm

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Original post from 2tone

Why you should be paying attention to Andrija Novakovich regardless that he is currently playing in the second division in the Netherlands.

He has already made multiple team of the weeks in the erestedivisie. Almost every week he has been in the team of the week. He has 2 goals in 5 appearances. He is always looking dangerous and always leading the line. If he has a good year I would imagine Eredivisie clubs will come calling. He needs to leave Reading for good.


The fact that he is 6' 4" doesn't hurt. He is only 20...let him build up his cv this year and continue to grow as a player. Not sure he needs to leave Reading to have success.

navi8132
New York
Post #38
Tuesday September 19, 2017 8:10pm

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Could someone tell me the last time (or how many times in the last 10 years) a US player developed in England (either 1st or 2nd league) and succeeded there?

Perhaps those numbers should unsettle kids enough to not start their careers there.

Jzaval01
Post #39
Tuesday September 19, 2017 8:23pm

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England is garbage at creating young talent. Apart from the few exception like tottenham in the few years they just buy with their massive bags of money.

Rey Regicide
Post #40
Tuesday September 19, 2017 8:33pm

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Yedlin is coming close to succeeding there. But as far as something like Novakovich. Never. But then again we could have said the same thing about the Bundesliga for our guys before Pulisic. Reyna was already there.

I think historical data doesn't mean much because we really don't have that big of a sample size. For reasons outside of development issues.

Know Nothing
Post #41
Tuesday September 19, 2017 8:38pm

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Original post from navi8132

Could someone tell me the last time (or how many times in the last 10 years) a US player developed in England (either 1st or 2nd league) and succeeded there?

Perhaps those numbers should unsettle kids enough to not start their careers there.


Depends on your definition of success.

Jonathan Spector and Eric Lichaj spring to mind. They were regular contributors for many years as on English clubs and Lichaj has been captain. It is too early to determine for the likes of Hyndmann, Robinson, DeLaTorre

Let me flip this...how many top prospects have gone to the top 2 German leagues and panned out?

We'll never know, but IMO Lleget is a better player having developed at West Ham.

Jzaval01
Post #42
Tuesday September 19, 2017 8:39pm

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But yedlin was never given a chance in Spurs. Thats what wrong in England. He was already a solid player coming out of MLS, showed it in the world cup and then further proved it with a solid season in Sunderland. He improved with experience in Premier league and Championship.

The bigger talk is kids coming from that specific team academy that has 0 pro minutes. Thats where other league thrive.

This is why any american kid should first go to another league, show that he can be a pro player and then try his luck in England or wherever he wants

Rey Regicide
Post #43
Tuesday September 19, 2017 8:46pm

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the ghost of Federico Macheda

Fran Merida

Diego Forlan

agree with you.

Wait, Diego wound up being world class after leaving Man U.

Know Nothing
Post #44
Tuesday September 19, 2017 9:07pm

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Original post from Jzaval01

But yedlin was never given a chance in Spurs. Thats what wrong in England. He was already a solid player coming out of MLS, showed it in the world cup and then further proved it with a solid season in Sunderland. He improved with experience in Premier league and Championship.

The bigger talk is kids coming from that specific team academy that has 0 pro minutes. Thats where other league thrive.

This is why any american kid should first go to another league, show that he can be a pro player and then try his luck in England or wherever he wants


Kind of funny looking at the roster for the 2015 U-20 World Cup squad how many of them have already changed clubs and are no longer with their "academy" clubs. So the success rate is low throughout.

Jzaval01
Post #45
Tuesday September 19, 2017 9:27pm

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Original post from Know Nothing

Kind of funny looking at the roster for the 2015 U-20 World Cup squad how many of them have already changed clubs and are no longer with their "academy" clubs. So the success rate is low throughout.


I wouldnt base it on U20 world cup... Most of the best teams in the world manage get a select few to the next level. At that point its whether you're good enough or not.
What I would see is the full national teams. Who have been the most successful in recent years? Germany, Spain and France.
Specially France now that they have Mabappe, Dembele
Apart from U20 world cup which was a nice win for England they really have been irrelevant for years now. Wonder why

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