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Lilshmike
Post #151
Tuesday April 1, 2014 1:12am

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from venicebeachbull

Think Tim Ream should get a look in May. Hasn't he been playing well at LB for Bolton? His versatility is tough to underestimate.

Maybe cause I'm not sold on Parkhurst, personally I don't think has the size/quickness for the international level.


Agreed. Ream should get a look, but its getting down to the wire and he hasn't been involved really up to this point so the odds are against him.

Honestly, people may disagree, but Jonathan Spector should get a look too. What has killed him is his versatility and being on a subpar team. He plays a lot in midfield because hes better than the other guys at Birmingham who are in that spot. He is a very solid RB, and actually the only RB in our pool who has played, and played damn well, against top international competition (during the confederations cup in 2009). Yea, that was 5 years ago, but still. He should be considered for the WC before people like Beltran, Yedlin, or Lichaj.

venicebeachbull
Post #152
Tuesday April 1, 2014 1:20am

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 91
Original post from Lilshmike

Agreed. Ream should get a look, but its getting down to the wire and he hasn't been involved really up to this point so the odds are against him.

Honestly, people may disagree, but Jonathan Spector should get a look too. What has killed him is his versatility and being on a subpar team. He plays a lot in midfield because hes better than the other guys at Birmingham who are in that spot. He is a very solid RB, and actually the only RB in our pool who has played, and played damn well, against top international competition (during the confederations cup in 2009). Yea, that was 5 years ago, but still. He should be considered for the WC before people like Beltran, Yedlin, or Lichaj.


I totally agree. Sucked he was hurt for those few months and didn't make the Ukraine match.

Jaymes
California
Post #153
Tuesday April 1, 2014 1:33am

Joined Nov 2013
Total Posts: 48
please call in Chris Klute!

MSantoine
Post #154
Tuesday April 1, 2014 1:55am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Lilshmike

If the WC were tomorrow, here is who Klinsmann would take
2 LBs (Beasley and Parkhurst)
4 CBs (Besler, Gonzalez, Goodson, ???)
2 RBs (Cameron and Evans)

- Klinsmann plays and considers Fabian Johnson as a LM. But, if Beasley got hurt, Fabian Johnson would be the LB. So Parkhurst is more of a utility #3 RB and LB.
- Cameron will start at RB and will only move if there is an injury to either CDM or CB.
- Anyone can say what they want, but Goodson is a lock. Look back on who has been called into camps and who has consistently been a part of the roster. Goodsons name is there.

The only competition for CB is between Brooks, Orozco-Fiscal, and MAYBE Onyewu. Right now, Brooks should have the upper hand. But that last spot is the one thats up for grabs. Only one of those three guys is going to make it.


Park hurst hasn't played a minute for usmnt in how long and you have him in Brazil. Wow. If it started tomorrow he'd bring Castillo over him in a second. Parkhurst has to hope that jk wants fab on the left and Cameron in the middle. That's the only way I see him going.

skangles
DC
Post #155
Tuesday April 1, 2014 2:10am

Joined Jan 2013
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Parkhurst went the full 90 at LB against Korea and looked significantly better than Castillo did against Ukraine. On top of that parkhurst can play RB, CB and LB. I don't think he's too far of a stretch to be included in the 23 if the world cup started tomorrow.

Lilshmike
Post #156
Tuesday April 1, 2014 3:18am

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from MSantoine

Park hurst hasn't played a minute for usmnt in how long and you have him in Brazil. Wow. If it started tomorrow he'd bring Castillo over him in a second. Parkhurst has to hope that jk wants fab on the left and Cameron in the middle. That's the only way I see him going.


Yea, you are sadly mistaken. If you think logically, and break it down by position, Parkhurst is a given.

- In a 23 man roster, you have 2 RBs, 2 LBs, and 4 CBs.
- We will have 2 locks for RB (Cameron and Evans). Whether or not anyone on this site wants to believe it, Evans is a lock.
- We will have 1 lock at LB (Beasley).
- Fabian Johnson will be a LM, and will not be counted as a LB. Because of that, we will need a 2nd LB.
- If Beasley gets hurt, Fabian will move to LB, so the 2nd LB we bring will be more like a 3rd option LB.
- If there is an injury to one of our CDMs (Jones and Bradley) or CBs (Besler and Gonzalez), Cameron will be the first person moved to fill that gap.
- As a result, it makes sense to have an additional guy on the roster who can play RB as a 3rd option

...who is the only guy that we have in the squad that will realistically fill that gap as the #2 LB taken, but will be used as a utility outside back as a 3rd option for both LB and RB?

Thats right. Parkhurst.

skangles
DC
Post #157
Tuesday April 1, 2014 3:51am

Joined Jan 2013
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I mostly agree with your logic lilshmike but I think Green may mix this up. Before Green committed, if we assume our 23 is made up of two players for every position plus 3 keepers then we would have had Landon and Fabian as LMs, Zusi and Bedoya as RMs. Dempsey, AJ, Jozy and another striker (EJ, Wondo, Boyd) as forwards/CAMs.

With Green onboard it might cause JK to consider Fabian as on of his LB spots and give Green the second LM spot. Of course another option is for Green to take that second forward spot.

If Fabian is a LB then it comes down to Parkhurst vs Evans vs Yedlin for that second RB spot. While I agree that JK likes Evans more than most people care to admit, he looked awful against Korea which may have dropped him in the pecking order. Too bad he's injured otherwise this game could have given us insight into JK's thinking.

Lilshmike
Post #158
Tuesday April 1, 2014 4:23am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 511
Original post from skangles

I mostly agree with your logic lilshmike but I think Green may mix this up. Before Green committed, if we assume our 23 is made up of two players for every position plus 3 keepers then we would have had Landon and Fabian as LMs, Zusi and Bedoya as RMs. Dempsey, AJ, Jozy and another striker (EJ, Wondo, Boyd) as forwards/CAMs.

With Green onboard it might cause JK to consider Fabian as on of his LB spots and give Green the second LM spot. Of course another option is for Green to take that second forward spot.

If Fabian is a LB then it comes down to Parkhurst vs Evans vs Yedlin for that second RB spot. While I agree that JK likes Evans more than most people care to admit, he looked awful against Korea which may have dropped him in the pecking order. Too bad he's injured otherwise this game could have given us insight into JK's thinking.


Incorrect, and this is why. If the WC started tomorrow, this would 100% be our starting lineup

Jozy
F Johnson - Dempsey - Donovan
Jones - Bradley
Beasley - Besler - Gonzalez - Cameron
Howard

Landon will be the RM. He is the starter there. Zusi has always been, and will continue to be, his backup. Landon and Zusi will be the two RMs. Johnson will be a LM. Bedoya will be on the roster, but he will be counted as one of the CMs, not a RM, nor a LM. Bedoya will be a utility attacking midfielder. That is his current position with us. So here is how it will break down.

2 RMs - Donovan and Zusi
4 CMs - Jones, Bradley, Bedoya, ???
2 LMs - Fabian Johnson, ???

My guess is that Diskerud and Beckerman are fighting for that last CM spot. It makes sense, since Cameron can be shifted to CDM we wont need more than 3 guys counted as a CDM in the midfield. One of the 2 CMs other than Jones or Bradley will need to be a CAM. That is Bedoya.

Davis, Shea, and now it appears Green, will be fighting for that last LM spot. What makes this interesting is that we will need 1 more FW. Our 4 FW spots will be Dempsey, Jozy, AJ, and ????. Since EJ can play both LW and FW, he makes a strong case to be included in the WC roster. But Wondolowski is trying to make a late push for that FW spot, hence his inclusion in the roster against Mexico.

Fabian Johnson will only be included as a LM. Not a RB. Do you really think that Klinsmann has used Evans this much up to this point without intending to bring him to Brazil? Highly unlikely.

Let us not forget, Green is a kid who has virtually no first team experience. Yea, he plays for Bayern Munich, but that doesnt mean anything until we actually see him play. Until then, he is irrelevant. If he plays this week, and plays well, then he may enter the conversation and make a case for himself.

blaise213
San Francisco CA
Post #159
Tuesday April 1, 2014 6:51am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,407
Lilshmike

Pretty spot on analysis. I wish this friendly would've been moved because I wanted to see Greg Garza at LB. Dude impressed me vs LA Galaxy big time

I'd like to see a bradley/diskerud pairing

Also Im sticking with a Cameron/Gonzo pairing as our starting CB's

hamsamwich
Post #160
Tuesday April 1, 2014 2:22pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 669
@Lilshmike-

agree with most of what you've posted, aside from your "100%" assurance that Fabian wont play any RB, only LM, and that Cameron has that spot locked down. Not true. And I definitely could see Evans not going to Brazil, as most people, yourself included, prefer Cameron there.

But in tomorrow's game Parkurst will show why he is our overall best defensive player with a very solid game against Mexico.

Lilshmike
Post #161
Tuesday April 1, 2014 2:27pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 511
Original post from blaise213

Lilshmike

Pretty spot on analysis. I wish this friendly would've been moved because I wanted to see Greg Garza at LB. Dude impressed me vs LA Galaxy big time

I'd like to see a bradley/diskerud pairing

Also Im sticking with a Cameron/Gonzo pairing as our starting CB's


Yea, I try to analyze all this from a non-biased perspective. Not what I want to see, or how I feel it should be, but what I think will actually happen and what I think Klinsmann is going to do.

Personally, this is what I think the situation should be:
- Cameron should be a CB
- Edu should be a CB
- Feilhaber should be involved in the setup
- Johannsson should be our starting forward
- Spector should be involved in the setup
- Castillo should be moved to LW
- Shea should be played up top as a FW
- Steve Clarke should be in the setup
- Bill Hamid SHOULD NOT be involved in the setup whatsoever

And finally, after this WC:
Howard, Donovan, Dempsey, Beasley, Zusi, Goodson, Evans, Beckerman, Jones, Gomez, EJ, Wondolowski, Onyewu, and Parkhurst ALL need to be phased out of the national team.

Realistically, a couple of those guys will still have what it takes and will may even be bench players at the next WC. But after Brazil, we need to focus strictly on the younger generation that we have coming up. There is going to be A LOT of time for A LOT of guys to get A LOT of caps before 2018 and 2022. Invest in the future...

MSantoine
Post #162
Tuesday April 1, 2014 2:29pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,231
Original post from Lilshmike

Yea, you are sadly mistaken. If you think logically, and break it down by position, Parkhurst is a given.

- In a 23 man roster, you have 2 RBs, 2 LBs, and 4 CBs.
- We will have 2 locks for RB (Cameron and Evans). Whether or not anyone on this site wants to believe it, Evans is a lock.
- We will have 1 lock at LB (Beasley).
- Fabian Johnson will be a LM, and will not be counted as a LB. Because of that, we will need a 2nd LB.
- If Beasley gets hurt, Fabian will move to LB, so the 2nd LB we bring will be more like a 3rd option LB.
- If there is an injury to one of our CDMs (Jones and Bradley) or CBs (Besler and Gonzalez), Cameron will be the first person moved to fill that gap.
- As a result, it makes sense to have an additional guy on the roster who can play RB as a 3rd option

...who is the only guy that we have in the squad that will realistically fill that gap as the #2 LB taken, but will be used as a utility outside back as a 3rd option for both LB and RB?

Thats right. Parkhurst.


Again your using your "analysis" blindly and not being consistent. The very reason your saying Parkhurst should be there is a reason he wont be. You mentioned needing a guy who can play RB and also slide in as a 3rd LB. Well we have the same thing at RB and there's every reason to believe we more need a LB, not RB that can fill in. If Evans is a lock, as you say, and Cameron is there thats 2 RB. You know what happens if there's an injury, Fab can play RB (he's doing it in Bundesliga). With that being the case you have more of a need for LB. You dont need 4 potential RBs on the roster. My guess is if Evans is on the team and it came down to the need for a final LB it would be Castillo. Ability to play RB wont be needed as we'll have Evans, Cam, and Fab. You dont need a 4th RB or a 5th CB, which are your reasons to include Parkhurst. Parkhurst better hope Evans doesnt go as thats his only chance of making it. I see the defense shaping up a couple of different ways and they all relate to where Fab is slotted (he's definitely starting, just a matter of where).
Fab at LW- Beas-Besler-OG/Goodson-Cameron as starters and 1st CB backup. Evans/Chandler/Yedlin/Parkhusrt as back up RB. Brooks/MOF as backup CB, Castillo/Parkhurst as backup LB. Lots of battles to decide final three spots.
Fab at LB- Fab-Besler/OG/Goodson-Cam with Beasley as definite backup. Same guys fighting for last two spots.
Fab at RB- Beas-Besler-Cam-Fab as starters. Pushes OG and Goodson to backup CBs. Evans/Parkhurst/Chandler for backup RB. Castillo near lock for backup LB.

Either way I dont think parkhurst has a great chance of going. He'll definitely be on the 30man roster and if we stay healthy going forward it may come down to one May friendly where he and Castillo each got 45 minutes to prove it.

Lilshmike
Post #163
Tuesday April 1, 2014 2:45pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 511
Original post from hamsamwich

@Lilshmike-

agree with most of what you've posted, aside from your "100%" assurance that Fabian wont play any RB, only LM, and that Cameron has that spot locked down. Not true. And I definitely could see Evans not going to Brazil, as most people, yourself included, prefer Cameron there.

But in tomorrow's game Parkurst will show why he is our overall best defensive player with a very solid game against Mexico.


No doubt, Parkhurst is our best all-around defender. He can play RB both RB and LB, which he has proven. He is also a CB for club, and has Champions League experience at CB. Nobody else we have in the pool can say that...

The reason that I am 100% confident that Fabian Johnson will play LM, and not RB, is because that is where he has been used when he has played for the USMNT. Cameron is a RB for club, and although Fabian has been playing RB recently for his club, it is more out of necessity for them than anything else.

Cameron has locked up RB, Evans is the only question mark there. But again, Klinsmann has called on him at RB more than anyone else in the entire pool, which leads me to believe that he has a ticket to Brazil.

Our only real weak spot, where we don't actually have a legitimate solidified starter, is at LM. Sure, Donovan COULD play there, but that's not his best position. In all honesty, our best option at LM is Fabian Johnson because it allows our other players to play in their best position. Although that may not be Johnson's preferred position, or best position, he is better than anyone else we have there (other than maybe Donovan or Dempsey).

Plus, when you have Beasley at LB and F.Johnson at LM, it makes it very difficult for teams to attack our left side (a side that MOST teams attack, going to their right since most people are right footed and the typical weak spot for a defense is at LB), because we essentially have 2 LBs on the field at the same time. And as far as going on the attack, we dont have to worry about people getting caught out of position, or having our LM defend if our LB goes down the line, because both are interchangeable.

Not only that, but because Cameron is so versatile and F.Johnson can be used as both a LM and LB, it creates the opportunity for changes to be made if there are injuries. Because of that, we need to make sure we have sufficient cover at both RB and LB in the event of unforeseen circumstances (which will happen, it ALWAYS HAPPENS). If Cameron is counted as a RB, Beasley a LB, F.Johnson a LM, then we have a RB and LB spot open.

Evans seems to be Klinsmanns #2 RB, so that #2 LB needs to be able to play both LB and RB in case of emergency so we won't disrupt the continuity of the squad. Only player that fills that role is Parkhurst.

TheTruth
Post #164
Tuesday April 1, 2014 2:52pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 277
Original post from Lilshmike

Heres a good analogy for what I am talking about.

In college football, players can redshirt and its typically freshman who do. Teams frequently travel players they are redshirting. Although they won't play, they bring them along for games and put them through the game day setup so that when the next year rolls around they are more prepared to play. This is because the players are promising and seem to be in an important role in the following years. The coaches are preparing for the future.

Now, when someone on the depth chart gets hurt, the redshirted players do not move up the depth chart. Instead, the coach will bring in an older player who is not redshirting to travel, moving him to the last position on the depth chart before the redshirted player. Although the coach doesnt intend to play the older non-redshirt player, that guy is still going to go in before the freshman that is redshirting.

No. The redshirted guy is not taking anyone's spot. There's no downside.

For this analogy, Yedlin is the redshirted freshman and Beltran is the one who got pulled in for cover. Yea, one could make a comment to the effect of "there are no redshirts in soccer", but thats not the point I am trying to make.


TheTruth
Post #165
Tuesday April 1, 2014 3:00pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 277
Lil - I like the confidence. All of the sudden you're like Bradley Cooper in that movie where he takes the pill and he's Superman. . .

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