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EKneezy
Post #31
Saturday March 22, 2014 1:30am

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Never understood the Honduras game. He was bad but so was everyone else!! The whole team was lackluster.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #32
Saturday March 22, 2014 3:22pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Original post from EKneezy

Never understood the Honduras game. He was bad but so was everyone else!! The whole team was lackluster.


Yep. I also don't just look at one game. Every player can have one bad game. He has been lights out for Nurnberg this year before his injury, and he was quite good in some friendlies for the USMNT in 2012.

Also I can't fault a player on firmly making up his mind. If he wasn't 100 percent sure that he wanted to play for the US then a player needs to take the time to figure that out. He did, and is now cap tied to the USMNT.

Here is the option: Taking a fully recovered natural RB in Chandler, or taking a journey man/ jack of all trades player who clearly doesn't have the defensive chops and who rarely to never plays RB in Brad Evans?

I know who I would take.

TheTruth
Post #33
Saturday March 22, 2014 4:35pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 221
No, just the opposite. Comparing the JOB situation in relative terms to today. Chandler is our best RB when healthy. I think most would agree w/ that, but he's not head and shoulders above, say, Cameron.

JOB was head and shoulders above who ever was his understudy at the time. Ben Olsen made the '06 team. I was always a fan of his, but WC material, that's a stretch. Not sure who was the last midfielder not to make the '06 team, but he might have been a stinker, hence, the chance Arena took w/ JOB. Completely different situation today. Chris Albright was on the '06 team - just looked that up. Hard to believe.

jtsccr12
Post #34
Saturday March 22, 2014 6:39pm

Joined May 2013
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I don't think Chandler goes if Williams goes due to team chemistry. I have gotten the impression that JK learned in WCQ just how important the American spirit is in these games. Our never say die attitude comes and goes with players like, Howard, Guzan, MB, Cam, Landon, Zusi, Boyd,(not WC bound IMO) Beasley, Herc (not WC bound IMO), Bedoya, and Dempsey when he's fired up. Players like Fabian and Jones (and Jozy) feed off of this, and the team blends well. I think that Chandler, Williams, Torres, JAB, and Castillo are great players, but they all seem to be in a place where they are quick to quit. I don't think we can afford to have too many of these players on our squad. I think that Williams or Chandler are left home. I would take beckerman for Williams before I would take Evans for Chandler... But I'm not JK.

rainORshine
Post #35
Saturday March 22, 2014 6:48pm

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chandler is "currently completing his rehab program." (nurnberg spokesperson) apparently ahead of schedule. 2+ months out from brazil, unless there is a set back, TC should be comfortably healthy by the time WC camp opens

and again, we are talking about chandler v evans and parkhurst...

fabian-X-X-chandler

as far as CBs i think people are writing off gooch too soon. dont think ukraine was a great measuring stick and dont think he was really all that bad,. either way, ukraine was a complete cluster$#% and should probably just be disregarded entirely.

sheff wed has been a superior team since gooch joined them
- 5 wins in his 10 stars v 6 wins in 27 other games
- 7 goals conceded in 10 games (.7/g) v 36 in 27 other games (1.33/g)

we all assumed gooch would never be "back"... but it looks like he might be

gooch in top form is superior to any other CB in the pool

navi8132
Post #36
Saturday March 22, 2014 7:03pm

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I can't believe how many think Chandler has a shot. Chandler didn't even have much of a shot had he not gotten that injury. Now with an injury, he is buried no matter if he regains health, fitness, and matchday sharpness.

rainORshine
Post #37
Saturday March 22, 2014 7:08pm

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Original post from navi8132

I can't believe how many think Chandler has a shot. Chandler didn't even have much of a shot had he not gotten that injury. Now with an injury, he is buried no matter if he regains health, fitness, and matchday sharpness.


just pointing out that chandler is easily the best RB option in the pool (yes, even over cameron) and looks like he will be healthy in april/early may

whether or not JK brings him in is another story

Bshredder
Post #38
Saturday March 22, 2014 8:08pm

Joined Aug 2011
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Again, if Chandler's history with the team wasn't so sketchy, he'd have a shot. But that's his own doing. But he bailed on the 2011 Gold Cup. Then he bailed on the start of WC qualifying

He created a dicey situation where it very much becomes a locker room issue. The US team might be vet accepting but Chandler's situation is far different

Chrisou101
Post #39
Saturday March 22, 2014 8:18pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Looks like Chandler is going to resume individual training this coming april. I really hope he can make the world cup squad.

rainORshine
Post #40
Saturday March 22, 2014 8:43pm

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Original post from Bshredder

Again, if Chandler's history with the team wasn't so sketchy, he'd have a shot. But that's his own doing. But he bailed on the 2011 Gold Cup. Then he bailed on the start of WC qualifying

He created a dicey situation where it very much becomes a locker room issue. The US team might be vet accepting but Chandler's situation is far different


the guy is 23, a great player and locked into US for his intl career. unless something egregious happened it is time to put the past in past. if JK simply wont consider him for this cycle then he should say as much

Bshredder
Post #41
Saturday March 22, 2014 8:59pm

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The problems are probably fixable with Chandler but it'll take time. That's why I thought the Ukraine game was crucial for him to reintegrate. The World Cup camp is no time for that.

Just saying these thing should be in the past doesn't make it so. The issues have never been worked through.

It stinks but this is on Chandler for creating a mess and making the issue complicated. It's also kind of depressing to see a fan base begging for him when he bailed on the team twice during big games.

He'll be back at some point

stone88
Post #42
Saturday March 22, 2014 9:59pm

Joined Aug 2012
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Never begged once for the guy after he bailed on the team during qualification. Seeing klinsmann completely ignore a good Bundesliga RB says ALOT about this guy and whether or not he would currently help or hinder the team. This WC we have Cameron as our right back, and the man is pretty damn decent at it! Chandler is young, and after this WC he will get his chance at the national team and another WC IF he wants it and puts in the work and proves that he is a mature, professional and reliable national team player. I really don't doubt the guys skills, but sometimes the other stuff, the chemistry, the motivation are just as or more important.

rainORshine
Post #43
Sunday March 30, 2014 5:27am

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nurnberg loses 5 of 6 in march with chandler on the shelf... now dangerously close to drop zone

i would be somewhat surprised if chandler was not back in the lineup sometime in april

if he is healthy none of us can say for sure if he gets a call in may. until then might as well assume he is in the conversation

MSantoine
Post #44
Monday March 31, 2014 3:22am

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Original post from Bshredder

Again, if Chandler's history with the team wasn't so sketchy, he'd have a shot. But that's his own doing. But he bailed on the 2011 Gold Cup. Then he bailed on the start of WC qualifying

He created a dicey situation where it very much becomes a locker room issue. The US team might be vet accepting but Chandler's situation is far different


Since this thread came back up and I was away when it came I thought I'd give my two cents. Fans chastise chandler for turning down cap tying matches with USA.
However let me ask this. If it was so bad for chandler to do this why was it ok when Aron and green did EXACTLY THE SAME THING!! Aron turned down camps and friendlies because he didn't want to file a one time switch and commit to USA. Green also turned down friendlies and youth games that would have cap tied him but that's ok?? Again not defending one guy or the other but it's funny how one guy has to earn trust and the other two are gods blessing to earth

Rey Regicide
Post #45
Monday March 31, 2014 12:48pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 138
Original post from MSantoine

Since this thread came back up and I was away when it came I thought I'd give my two cents. Fans chastise chandler for turning down cap tying matches with USA.
However let me ask this. If it was so bad for chandler to do this why was it ok when Aron and green did EXACTLY THE SAME THING!! Aron turned down camps and friendlies because he didn't want to file a one time switch and commit to USA. Green also turned down friendlies and youth games that would have cap tied him but that's ok?? Again not defending one guy or the other but it's funny how one guy has to earn trust and the other two are gods blessing to earth


I think the rationale is, not that its acceptable, Green and AJ's talent level and options put him in a situation were he wasn't limited. Chandler doesn't need to have leeway in his decision because he thought he was better that he truly was. I'm not saying that's justifiable, but I would imagine that's where it would lie. Also, I thought that aspect was apparent and not confirmed, I thought there were travel issues which he didn't want to confront, (actual fear of flying ,being run down after a long season).

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