RECAPS
EXTRA TIME
YANKS ABROAD LOCKER ROOM
 
2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #181
Thursday March 20, 2014 5:23am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,356
Original post from Jzaval01

probably another over reaction by me but when your league champions get completely destroyed its pretty hard to blame people for reacting certain ways.


Parity driven league. Like I said a parity driven team doesn't do well in international club comps. Because that team is created to win and lose on a consistent basis with in its own league. We all know that MLS teams lack quality depth. But in a parity driven league having quality depth isn't exactly a top priority because every other team in a parity driven league doesn't have quality depth. MLS teams have been frequently found out in the knock out stages when their depth is tested. If KC has Myers and Sinovic in this game the defense is much much better.

I mean lets face it. There are players playing in MLS that wouldn't even make League two teams in England.

rainORshine
Post #182
Thursday March 20, 2014 5:25am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
Original post from 2tone

No way MLS is 10 years behind Liga MX. Three to five years max.

Here's the facts. MLS is set-up so that every team can compete in MLS which is called parity. But that just doesn't fly in international club competitions. The strongest teams with the bigger payrolls that can afford the better players win international club comps.

One day MLS will have to choose a middle ground. Meaning they are going to have to sacrifice some parity in MLS, and let the teams that are capable to pay players, buy those said players. I have no doubts in my mind if an MLS team consisted of a starting 11 of the top talent in MLS that that said MLS team would definitely compete and beat their opposing Liga MX counterparts.

I love MLS parity, but I am also realistic to the fact that eventually MLS will have to sacrifice some parity in order to reach the next level as a league. MLS is not in a bubble like the NFL. And the front office needs to recognize this.


"facts"? this is a BS argument because you imply that these results simply suggest that the top MX teams are better than the top MLS teams

tijuana is currently 12th in Liga Mx
they finished 10th in the fall season
finished 10th last spring season

they are a completely mediocre Liga Mx team... and they just beat an MLS kingpin.

THAT is parity. until proven otherwise Liga Mx is miles ahead of MLS - from top to bottom

skangles
DC
Post #183
Thursday March 20, 2014 5:37am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,420
Original post from 2tone

Parity driven league. Like I said a parity driven team doesn't do well in international club comps. Because that team is created to win and lose on a consistent basis with in its own league. We all know that MLS teams lack quality depth. But in a parity driven league having quality depth isn't exactly a top priority because every other team in a parity driven league doesn't have quality depth. MLS teams have been frequently found out in the knock out stages when their depth is tested. If KC has Myers and Sinovic in this game the defense is much much better.

I mean lets face it. There are players playing in MLS that wouldn't even make League two teams in England.


What do you mean by parity? Are you talking about the policies like salary cap and number of DPs or do you just mean the fact that any MLS team can win the league in any given year (in part due to these policies)? If its the latter Liga MX epitomizes parity from competitiveness perspective. None of the four teams that they sent to the CCL this year qualified for the CCL last year and yet three teams still made it to the semi finals.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #184
Thursday March 20, 2014 5:38am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,356
Original post from rainORshine

"facts"? this is a BS argument because you imply that these results simply suggest that the top MX teams are better than the top MLS teams

tijuana is currently 12th in Liga Mx
they finished 10th in the fall season
finished 10th last spring season

they are a completely mediocre Liga Mx team... and they just beat an MLS kingpin.

THAT is parity. until proven otherwise Liga Mx is miles ahead of MLS - from top to bottom


Bull. Tijuana doesn't have to be in a restricted cap space. Depth, depth,depth, Tijuana's depth is better than LA's. When was LA an MLS King pin? The last time LA won an MLS cup or won the supporters shield was when the team was completely different. LA is no Kingpin these days.

No the argument isn't BS. Last three CCL winners were Monterrey. Who had a better bigger payroll then their MLS counterparts. Monterrey were also league winners or runners up during that time frame.

The top Mexican teams have bigger payrolls, plain and simple. But continue overreacting.

blaise213
Post #185
Thursday March 20, 2014 5:40am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,924
Liga mx isnt miles ahead of shit...

You never ever see goals scored off a set piece (beckham style), goals scored on corners and rarely ever scored from beyond the box. All they are is a bunch of small quick players that have technical skills.... What pisses me off is how our MLS players are too scared to attack them and hold possession. MLS needs better midfielders, thats the biggest problem

blaise213
Post #186
Thursday March 20, 2014 5:42am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,924
Original post from admsghs27

MLS has to seriously consider starting the season in January. Or change the Concacaf champions league format and schedule.


I agree but its the same argument I always say. They need to build better stadiums to accommodate the weather, ala retractible roofs

admsghs27
Post #187
Thursday March 20, 2014 5:54am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Of course Liga MX is massively ahead of MlS. The salary cap has to be 5x higher than it is now. I remember 5 or 7 years ago mls saying they were easily 3-5 years of catching up to Liga MX. I guess they were absolutely wrong, not even close as a matter of fact. I still say we are 5-10 years away. And Next year who do we have, NY, DC, KC, Portland, I think nly KC, Portland will do ok, DC, and Ny will fail. Maybe Portland has good shot because they have a pretty good field advantage, but yet Seattle had it too and could capitalize.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #188
Thursday March 20, 2014 5:58am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,356
Not arguing against the fact that Liga MX has more talent. Most teams have more talented depth compared to MLS. And that is because most Liga MX teams have bigger payrolls.

Yes LA has money to spend on a few stars, but after that LA has to manage their cap room. It's hard to build a team for international club comps with a salary cap of 2.7 million. Depth with all MLS teams takes a huge hit because of that.

It's hard to be patient with this process. But MLS has taken the slow and steady route. One day they will have to compromise in order for the league to get to the next level.

Chrisou101
Post #189
Thursday March 20, 2014 6:21am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 626
Well there goes this year's Champions League journey for MLS sides. Too disappointed to think what to say atm.

tylercocinas
Post #190
Thursday March 20, 2014 6:53am

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
Original post from admsghs27

Of course Liga MX is massively ahead of MlS. The salary cap has to be 5x higher than it is now. I remember 5 or 7 years ago mls saying they were easily 3-5 years of catching up to Liga MX. I guess they were absolutely wrong, not even close as a matter of fact. I still say we are 5-10 years away. And Next year who do we have, NY, DC, KC, Portland, I think nly KC, Portland will do ok, DC, and Ny will fail. Maybe Portland has good shot because they have a pretty good field advantage, but yet Seattle had it too and could capitalize.


If the players union is willing to take a hard line stance on a few key issues and challenge the owners in court when this CBA expires thing will even out with a quickness I guarantee it.

rainORshine
Post #191
Thursday March 20, 2014 4:20pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
biggest issues holding MLS back right now:

- stadium issues for DCU and NER. these franchises are essentially irrelevant in their respective markets until they get dt sss. when non MLS folks get a glimpse of a game at RFK or gillette and stadium is 1/10 full, their suspicion that MLS is not legit is confirmed. these are 2 MASSIVE markets not being tapped at moment
- expansion. simply no way to build deeper squads while league continues to expand. 19 may be too many. 20 is more than enough. 24 is a mistake at this point. 5 more teams = more than 100 more players... to a league that is already too diluted.
- chivas. nuf said
- chicago has been a massive disappointment as far as getting that market excited about the product. new ownership?
- stadium placement in colorado and dallas. these franchises could possibly be big players but suburban stadia severely limits the ceiling on how "big" these clubs can be. in MLS you just cant have a massive local following without a young urban fan only attainable with dt venue
- columbus is just not a major league town

you cant just throw money at the "problem" - there just really is not money to throw, at least not on an ongoing basis.

properly addressing fundamental issues, such as above, is how to raise the product, increase consumer interest and ultimately generate revenue that allows teams to build stronger rosters

MSantoine
Post #192
Thursday March 20, 2014 5:13pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from rainORshine

biggest issues holding MLS back right now:

- stadium issues for DCU and NER. these franchises are essentially irrelevant in their respective markets until they get dt sss. when non MLS folks get a glimpse of a game at RFK or gillette and stadium is 1/10 full, their suspicion that MLS is not legit is confirmed. these are 2 MASSIVE markets not being tapped at moment
- expansion. simply no way to build deeper squads while league continues to expand. 19 may be too many. 20 is more than enough. 24 is a mistake at this point. 5 more teams = more than 100 more players... to a league that is already too diluted.
- chivas. nuf said
- chicago has been a massive disappointment as far as getting that market excited about the product. new ownership?
- stadium placement in colorado and dallas. these franchises could possibly be big players but suburban stadia severely limits the ceiling on how "big" these clubs can be. in MLS you just cant have a massive local following without a young urban fan only attainable with dt venue
- columbus is just not a major league town

you cant just throw money at the "problem" - there just really is not money to throw, at least not on an ongoing basis.

properly addressing fundamental issues, such as above, is how to raise the product, increase consumer interest and ultimately generate revenue that allows teams to build stronger rosters


I agree with a lot of your points, especially about DC & NERevs. However I disagree about the expansion being a problem. In fact I see it as one of the possible solutions. With the current set up there is only the potential for 60 star players that could cut it in big leagues. Due to some of the markets you've listed its realistically about 30-40. But look at what will happen once Orlando, NYCFC, & Miami are in play. Its all but a certainty that they will bring in at least 7 decent named DP's. The way new markets get excited more new markets mean more possibliities for DP's which would bring better talent over. Yes more expansion waters down the middle roster talent but I think with the general cap going up you'll continue to see an infusion of south american talent. Throw in the fact that academies are starting to produce players after the initial 10 year development and I think teams could do ok. When your talking players 10-17 on a roster is there that big of a dropoff from a 21 year old home grown player to a 28 year old Scandanavian or League 1 guy coming here?

blaise213
Post #193
Thursday March 20, 2014 5:34pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,924
@ rainORshine

I think we might be related because those are my same thoughts.. Another example that I repeat a million times in the San Jose Earthquakes stadium. They need new ownership. Im not as mad about their new stadium because that location could be turned in a massive development academy and that $60 million dollar stadium could be used for reserve, academy, college, NWSL, and 1st round CCL games. They can still build the right stadium in the downtown location because MLB rejected the Oakland A's to move there.

I'm telling you with the right ownership(a big tech company) they could put a 40,000 stadium downtown.

rainORshine
Post #194
Thursday March 20, 2014 5:37pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
Original post from MSantoine

I agree with a lot of your points, especially about DC & NERevs. However I disagree about the expansion being a problem. In fact I see it as one of the possible solutions. With the current set up there is only the potential for 60 star players that could cut it in big leagues. Due to some of the markets you've listed its realistically about 30-40. But look at what will happen once Orlando, NYCFC, & Miami are in play. Its all but a certainty that they will bring in at least 7 decent named DP's. The way new markets get excited more new markets mean more possibliities for DP's which would bring better talent over. Yes more expansion waters down the middle roster talent but I think with the general cap going up you'll continue to see an infusion of south american talent. Throw in the fact that academies are starting to produce players after the initial 10 year development and I think teams could do ok. When your talking players 10-17 on a roster is there that big of a dropoff from a 21 year old home grown player to a 28 year old Scandanavian or League 1 guy coming here?


ideally, just think "redistributing" (selling) chivas and maybe 1 or 2 other franchises instead of adding franchises would result in stronger rosters. cut the fat

expansion = relevance. MLS needs to move past the "relevance" stage and into the stage that they are fine-tuning what they have... move past the "quantity" phase and into the "quality" phase. feel 20 clubs would have been a good number through this decade

MLS is trying to do both right now, but there is only so much "relative" quality you can add whle expanding - quality players are just being distributed over more and more teams.

for this reason i dont really see quality improving much over the next several years

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #195
Friday March 21, 2014 7:52pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,356
Loo like Xolos are my new CCL team. Let's go Xolos!!!!

Page 13 of 14
«« First « Previous 8 9 10 11 12 13 14  Next »

With Jesse Marsch and David Wagner at the helms of teams in the top flight, YA will cover their exploits this season.
RECENT POSTS
YA Transfer Tracker
Yanks Face Relegation in England
Tale of Two Young Yanks in Europe
Wagner Nears Premier League Goal