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navi8132
Post #31
Tuesday March 11, 2014 3:20pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Not sure which is best:

Adu
Adu-Adu-Adu
Adu-Adu
Adu-Adu-Adu-Adu

OR

Adu-Adu
Adu-Adu-Adu-Adu
Adu-Adu-Adu-Adu

Both have pros and cons

jtsccr12
Post #32
Tuesday March 11, 2014 4:03pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 80
I really hope that our formations can adapt due to our opponent. Lining up in a 4-2-3-1 for Ghana sounds just fine for me, but not for Portugal. I still don't think we are in a place where we can dictate our style onto Ger and Por, so here is an idea I am tinkering with. I know we are too proud in many ways to play it, but facing Portugal in a 5-3-2 in the MX style makes sense to me. We have players that play it in club level, it protects us from 1v1 situations with CR, and it would build for our counter. I think we will need points and to go toe to toe with Germany, so I doubt it works there, but I would be interested to see it there as well.

-CDorAJ--------Jozy
----FJ----LD
------Bradley
Beas-----------Chandler or Zusi
---Gonzo-Besler-Cam
------Howard

Just wondering if anyone else has formation preferences for different opponents?

rotosportsbook
Post #33
Tuesday March 11, 2014 10:14pm

Joined Aug 2013
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I actually think a 4-3-3 is our best formation, I think it is the best way to hide our lack of wings. I would start Jozy, Landon, and AJ up top (could experiment with Dempsey, Agudelo, and Zusi), Bradley, Jones, and Williams in the middle (experiment with Klejstan and Zusi), and ideally play Chandler and Johnson on the wings. This is instrumental because we are getting most of our width from these wing backs, so it would be important that Chandler be able to play since Cameron doesn't intimidate going forward.

This allows us to play 3 in the CM, which I think we need. When we need to be more defensive, which could be often, we have Zusi or Bedoya as one of the attackers for AJ or Jozy, and it can play more as a 4-5-1.

venicebeachbull
Post #34
Tuesday March 11, 2014 11:48pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 91
Original post from rotosportsbook

I actually think a 4-3-3 is our best formation, I think it is the best way to hide our lack of wings. I would start Jozy, Landon, and AJ up top (could experiment with Dempsey, Agudelo, and Zusi), Bradley, Jones, and Williams in the middle (experiment with Klejstan and Zusi), and ideally play Chandler and Johnson on the wings. This is instrumental because we are getting most of our width from these wing backs, so it would be important that Chandler be able to play since Cameron doesn't intimidate going forward.

This allows us to play 3 in the CM, which I think we need. When we need to be more defensive, which could be often, we have Zusi or Bedoya as one of the attackers for AJ or Jozy, and it can play more as a 4-5-1.


Three in the central midfield would be great....I would hope JK takes another look at Torres in April if that's the case.

stone88
Post #35
Wednesday March 12, 2014 12:19am

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 839
Original post from navi8132

Not sure which is best:

Adu
Adu-Adu-Adu
Adu-Adu
Adu-Adu-Adu-Adu

OR

Adu-Adu
Adu-Adu-Adu-Adu
Adu-Adu-Adu-Adu

Both have pros and cons


I prefer:

Adu-Adu-Adu
Adu-Adu-Adu
Adu-Adu-Adu-Adu

navi8132
Post #36
Wednesday March 12, 2014 2:01am

Joined Jul 2012
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Isn't that too much Adu in the final third?

tjknowsall
Post #37
Wednesday March 12, 2014 2:20am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 287
i think many people underestimate donovan. I predict a two goal performance that propels us past ghana. he must be sick of those black starts. Then klinsy realizes that altidore needs to be benched and starts AJ. Donovan and fabian work magic creating space for aj on a counter attack and bamn we are up 1-0 on portugal and take a win. yet ronaldo breaks through are defense and scores in the 65th min and we tie 1-1. then we start jozy against germany to have some sort of physical threat. he wears down the german back line and howard plays the game of his down 1-0 in the 80th min klinsy miracously subs off our captain and savior clint dempsey along with our spinal chord jozy altidore. AJ and juan come in and AJ nails crossbar agudelo leans up his mess and we stun Germany in a 1-1 tie. we then draw Russia, and knowing that we can run at them start are best lineup which is the 4-4-2 aj-agudelo - fabian/bradley(capt)/jones/landycakes- beasley-cameron-Besler-chandler and stun russia into silence with a 4-1 win as donovan scores 2 and aj nets another and dempsey scores one off the bench. Then riding high on confidence we grind out a 1-0 win vs switzerland when the forgotten man Eddie Johnson comes in as a sub in the 105th min and scores a header in the 110th min to win the game off a corner. Then we face Brazil and get pounded 3-0. and then play spain the constolation game and lose 2-0 but leave Brazil with our BEST FINISH EVER!!!!!!!!!!!! i was bored

GD10
Post #38
Wednesday March 12, 2014 3:22am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 240
I enjoyed this ^

Live490
Texas
Post #39
Wednesday March 12, 2014 5:08am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 279
+1000000

dolcem
Post #40
Wednesday March 12, 2014 6:37am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,045
Original post from tylercocinas

Seriously dude??? FOH


Bjelks is one of alcharod's DL's.
NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WHAT LINEUP YOU USE IN FIFA
dolcem
Post #41
Wednesday March 12, 2014 6:59am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,045
Original post from rotosportsbook

I actually think a 4-3-3 is our best formation, I think it is the best way to hide our lack of wings. I would start Jozy, Landon, and AJ up top (could experiment with Dempsey, Agudelo, and Zusi), Bradley, Jones, and Williams in the middle (experiment with Klejstan and Zusi), and ideally play Chandler and Johnson on the wings. This is instrumental because we are getting most of our width from these wing backs, so it would be important that Chandler be able to play since Cameron doesn't intimidate going forward.

This allows us to play 3 in the CM, which I think we need. When we need to be more defensive, which could be often, we have Zusi or Bedoya as one of the attackers for AJ or Jozy, and it can play more as a 4-5-1.


Really don't think we have the personnel for the 4-3-3. AJ does not play on the wing and Donovan is too old to be such a focal point of the attack (maybe off the bench, and I think he'd have to play on the left). The same goes for Dempsey. And Zusi sure as hell isn't that kind of winger (he is a CM/outside mid, not an inside forward).

The center midfield lacks creativity. And you still have the Bradley/Jones conundrum (two #8's paired together). If one of the CM's is a #8 (Jones, Bradley, Kljestan, Mix) than the other needs to be someone who sits back and sprays balls to him and the other attackers (a la Xavi at Barcelona). The only deep-lying playmaker we have is Torres.

Original post from venicebeachbull

Three in the central midfield would be great....I would hope JK takes another look at Torres in April if that's the case.


I don't think a 4-3-3 would work for us (see above) but if we did use it we'd have to use Torres. I also hope he gets a call-up. IMO Klinsmann's biggest personnel mistake has been not giving him a chance at his position (a total of 45 minutes at CM). He's very talented and we really could use a creative, technically gifted player in the squad.
NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WHAT LINEUP YOU USE IN FIFA
The_Footballer
Post #42
Wednesday March 12, 2014 9:01am

Joined Nov 2013
Total Posts: 22
Original post from navi8132

Isn't that too much Adu in the final third?


If you ask me, this whole thread is too much Adu (about nothing, no less)

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #43
Wednesday March 12, 2014 9:21am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 197
I think our starting XI should be a 4-4-1-1 diamond:
Howard
F.Johnson - Besler - Gonzalez/Goodson/Orozco - Cameron
Beckerman
Donovan/Zusi - Bradley - Zusi/Bedoya
Johannsson (underneath) E.Johnson

off the bench: possibly Diskerud, Dempsey, Altidore, Boyd
or whoever sits among Donovan, Zusi and Bedoya

Notes:
-Chandler: hurt and maybe doesn't care about USMNT
-Jones: I'd love for him to be better than Beckerman, since he's more pedigreed, but I don't think he is.
-Altidore: no reason he should start as of now
-Dempsey: no reason he should start as of now
-You don't have to change this much to get JK's 4-2-3-1 really, and I wonder with these players if that's cosmetic anyway
-Williams: I don't know enough about him to weigh in. Most pundits have him as "not going to Brazil", I think.
E.Johnson: we have no idea what we're going to get as of now, but I like speed and 1v1s with some holdup ability over Altidore's one-trick-pony

I'd love to be wrong about Altidore, Dempsey and Jones. I'm scared that I'm not.

tylercocinas
Post #44
Wednesday March 12, 2014 4:06pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 749
Original post from mmee

I think our starting XI should be a 4-4-1-1 diamond:
Howard
F.Johnson - Besler - Gonzalez/Goodson/Orozco - Cameron
Beckerman
Donovan/Zusi - Bradley - Zusi/Bedoya
Johannsson (underneath) E.Johnson

off the bench: possibly Diskerud, Dempsey, Altidore, Boyd
or whoever sits among Donovan, Zusi and Bedoya

Notes:
-Chandler: hurt and maybe doesn't care about USMNT
-Jones: I'd love for him to be better than Beckerman, since he's more pedigreed, but I don't think he is.
-Altidore: no reason he should start as of now
-Dempsey: no reason he should start as of now
-You don't have to change this much to get JK's 4-2-3-1 really, and I wonder with these players if that's cosmetic anyway
-Williams: I don't know enough about him to weigh in. Most pundits have him as "not going to Brazil", I think.
E.Johnson: we have no idea what we're going to get as of now, but I like speed and 1v1s with some holdup ability over Altidore's one-trick-pony

I'd love to be wrong about Altidore, Dempsey and Jones. I'm scared that I'm not.


You're wrong about Chandler, he had at least two interviews before getting hurt expressing his desire to be a part of the national team.

Jones is worlds better than Beckerman.

You can certainly make an argument for Jozy and Clint not to start, I personally would simt Clint and put AJ in his role.

Lastly you must not remember when EJ played at Fullham. I love the guy to death and I want him to do well for club and country, but he has historically not produced against top level players. He will run at people, which is good, but one way or another he gets stripped, a lot.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #45
Wednesday March 12, 2014 11:09pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 197
Original post from tylercocinas

You're wrong about Chandler, he had at least two interviews before getting hurt expressing his desire to be a part of the national team.

Jones is worlds better than Beckerman.

You can certainly make an argument for Jozy and Clint not to start, I personally would sit Clint and put AJ in his role.

Lastly you must not remember when EJ played at Fullham. I love the guy to death and I want him to do well for club and country, but he has historically not produced against top level players. He will run at people, which is good, but one way or another he gets stripped, a lot.


Oh, I know I'm way out on a limb on all of this; not trying to claim superior knowledge. I'm calling it how I see it and looking forward to what I'll hear back from y'all.

EJ runs hot and cold in a way that doesn't average out well, I fully admit. I'm scared of the 4-2-3-1 ultimately generating fewer quality chances than a 4-1-4-1 or 4-4-1-1- diamond with Johannsson underneath. I think that our first round opponents will adopt a 'bend but don't break' against it, and we'll wind up with 45% possession and 1-3 shots on frame, while the other team will have 3-10. I also think that Altidore's misfortune at Sunderland affects him as a WC player; unfair but true.

Ultimately we have to get behind the ball and counter to exit the group. I don't think the time to 'change the soccer culture' of the US is in the very first world cup after JK takes over, against #2, #5 and African #2 who has our number. Let's inch forward on quality and sophistication while we go for results in the World Cup.
This is what we're going to wind up doing anyway, I'm just wondering with what personnel and in what shape.

As for J.Jones vs Beckerman, I think Jones is supposed to be better than Beckerman, but in 2014 may not be. Beckerman is an overachiever with dagger-like passes. Jones is way more pedigreed and way more likely to get ejected.

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