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Post #16
Thursday March 6, 2014 3:08am

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 999
Original post from Chrisou101

Hey you guys lets dump our old guys and send our young players to the world cup.
GK: Cropper, Hamid, Johnson
Def: Williams, Yedlin, Sarkodie, Zimmerman, Packwood, Brooks, Klute, Henley, Oniel
Mid: Kitchen, Gil, Trapp, Williams, Joya, Stanko
FW: Green, Zardes, Juan Agudelo, Boyd, AJ

Lets send this roster to the world cup in Brazil just to make MSantoine happy, leaving Guys like Landon, MB90, Howard, Gonzo, Besler, Guzan, Rimando, Altidore at home because they're not YOUNG enough.


+1000

rainORshine
Post #17
Thursday March 6, 2014 3:08am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
williams, agudelo and johannsson needed serious minutes today. all 3 should potentially start in brazil. this team is clearly going nowhere with jones and dempsey, who will not be around for 2018

i think it is more of a JK thing than a USSF thing. JK negotiated complete authority so i am assuming this is all on him

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #18
Thursday March 6, 2014 3:09am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,606
Original post from MSantoine

Glad you mentioned those other teams because they do it too. Italy gave ciro immobile his first cap. Spain started Diego costa and gave him 90' in his first cap. Aron hasn't gone 90' for us yet. Also they threw thiago alcantara and his 4 caps(none since 2011)in and gave him 90'. Germany gave 20 year old Matthias ginter his 2nd cap. They all do it except us.


I wouldn't go that far. Klinsmann has thrown on plenty of young players during his tenure: Sapong 1st cap, Williams first cap, Morales first cap, Fabian 1st cap, Shea 3rd cap, Chandler 3rd cap, Gil 1st cap, Yedlin 1st cap, Johannsson 1st cap, Agudelo, Bunbury, Gatt 1st cap, Sean John 1st cap, Hamid 1st cap, Zusi 1st cap, Bruin 1st cap, Diskerud(K-man shown more confidence in him than Bradley did), Corona 1st cap. And if Green would have been available to play you know damn well he would have been put in this Ukraine game. To say Klinsmann or the USSF doesn't give young players caps or opportunities is disingenuous.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #19
Thursday March 6, 2014 3:39am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,388
This is such an overreaction to a bad result. We win everything is fine. We lose the sky is falling and hey more young guys. This was a putrid result and I accept that.

There's 3 months until the World Cup and you're talking about JK who I would guess has a pretty good idea of who he wants.

CS10
Post #20
Thursday March 6, 2014 6:36am

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 94
This cycle is just going to be tainted by the horrible lack of wingers... and the ones we do have are either too old, not fast enough to beat players 1v1 regularly, or just plain not good enough (Shea). A damn shame this WC is coming to early for guys like Zardes, Cascio, Salgado, Holmes, Arriola, Gil, Rowe, Deleon, Duka, Mullins, Garcia, Serna, Joya, Okoli, Gatt, Thompson, Flores, Rubin..and too a lesser extent Gyau, Silva, Pontius. Green/Parker are wildcards of course. All guys who can potentially solve this problem. I know it was only a friendly with only a Euro squad but to have that dearth of wide play is leaves a very sour taste in any body's mouth. Give this team 1 or 2 years and you'll start to see real Klinsi ball.

blaise213
Post #21
Thursday March 6, 2014 6:49am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,255
Original post from CS10

This cycle is just going to be tainted by the horrible lack of wingers... and the ones we do have are either too old, not fast enough to beat players 1v1 regularly, or just plain not good enough (Shea). A damn shame this WC is coming to early for guys like Zardes, Cascio, Salgado, Holmes, Arriola, Gil, Rowe, Deleon, Duka, Mullins, Garcia, Serna, Joya, Okoli, Gatt, Thompson, Flores, Rubin..and too a lesser extent Gyau, Silva, Pontius. Green/Parker are wildcards of course. All guys who can potentially solve this problem. I know it was only a friendly with only a Euro squad but to have that dearth of wide play is leaves a very sour taste in any body's mouth. Give this team 1 or 2 years and you'll start to see real Klinsi ball.


Best comment today!

MSantoine
Post #22
Thursday March 6, 2014 3:23pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from Chrisou101

Hey you guys lets dump our old guys and send our young players to the world cup.
GK: Cropper, Hamid, Johnson
Def: Williams, Yedlin, Sarkodie, Zimmerman, Packwood, Brooks, Klute, Henley, Oniel
Mid: Kitchen, Gil, Trapp, Williams, Joya, Stanko
FW: Green, Zardes, Juan Agudelo, Boyd, AJ

Lets send this roster to the world cup in Brazil just to make MSantoine happy, leaving Guys like Landon, MB90, Howard, Gonzo, Besler, Guzan, Rimando, Altidore at home because they're not YOUNG enough.


comments like this one show your either dumb or ignorant. No one is saying to frop Bradley, Jozy, Howard, Landon, Besler. This is about the fringe suck bag players we keep throwing minutes to. How many more times must we see Castillo face plant? Why does Gooch play 90'? If Gooch steps foot in brazil we know its 3 and out for us so why? How many minutes has Evans and Beckerman got the last three years? Your telling me those are World cup caliber players? Jermaine Jones looks like he's done. Dempsey plays like he knows no matter how much he sucks his spot is secure.

One of the main reasons teams like Italy, Brazil, Spain, Germany, Portugal have gotten to where they are is because the players know that if they slack off, or have a drop in form they are off the team for a year plus until they get it back. Thats the way it should be.

Again if your not smart enough I'll spell it out again. Spain is choosing between players who start for the best clubs in the world. Germany too. If your not on one of those teams you shouldnt get looks. We start players in MLS and Mexico, and not even the best Mexican teams at that. If we have a 30 something yard old MLS lifer then why not give his minutes to a 20 year old MLS guy. If the 20 year old is good enough to start in MLS, and not just Chivas but a real MLS team, then he should be getting some looks. It sucks watching US set themselves up for a horrendous world cup. When we set out a lineup versus Ghana that includes Brad Evans, Beasley, Goodson or Gooch, Jermaine Jones is that one your excited to get behind? Look at the the last few world cup winners. What teams did their players play on? Spain had 16 of 23 participate in UCL that year. No one outside of top La Liga or EPL teams. In 2006 Italy was completely Serie A players and only 5 that didnt play in Europe. In 02 Brazil was all either top Brazilian league teams or top Euro teams. No MLS guys. No MX guys. No Scandanavian guys. This is what USSF should be thriving to become. Going forward Is Edgar Castillo ever going to play in a UCL game? Beckerman? Goodson? Beasley? Evans? Who has a better chance of playing for a top team Luis Gil or Beckerman? Yedlin or Evans? Packwood or Gooch? Thats the issue.

MSantoine
Post #23
Thursday March 6, 2014 3:26pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from CS10

This cycle is just going to be tainted by the horrible lack of wingers... and the ones we do have are either too old, not fast enough to beat players 1v1 regularly, or just plain not good enough (Shea). A damn shame this WC is coming to early for guys like Zardes, Cascio, Salgado, Holmes, Arriola, Gil, Rowe, Deleon, Duka, Mullins, Garcia, Serna, Joya, Okoli, Gatt, Thompson, Flores, Rubin..and too a lesser extent Gyau, Silva, Pontius. Green/Parker are wildcards of course. All guys who can potentially solve this problem. I know it was only a friendly with only a Euro squad but to have that dearth of wide play is leaves a very sour taste in any body's mouth. Give this team 1 or 2 years and you'll start to see real Klinsi ball.


Instead of trying out any of these guys we keep going with Bedoya and playing Fab at LW instead of the much needed LB. Do you think US is better with Beasley/Castillo at LB and Fab at LW or Fab at LB and Arriola or Homes at LW. Id take Fab and the young guy any day of the week

TheTruth
Post #24
Thursday March 6, 2014 3:43pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 954
Oh, for fucks sake, you didn't realize he was kidding? The idiocy in these forums never ceases to amaze me. I don't know why I keep coming back. It just depresses me. I need to find another hobby.

SiteBomb621
Post #25
Thursday March 6, 2014 4:10pm

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 176
I think the USSF's problem is that we don't have an American Identity. We base and model everything off of Europe. Yes the best leagues, players, etc come from Europe but at the same time, American athletes are also some of the best athletes in the world by far. I just sometimes think that we should create our own style of American Soccer and stick with it. We hire Germans to mold us into Europeans and pay Nike to make us look like them as well.

I hate the fact our home colors are White like England. I'm sorry but as horrible as those wheres waldo kits where, that was our home jersey and you KNEW it was the USMNT or USWNT playing. Put is in a kit that says RED WHITE AND BLUE. Deep red shirts white shorts dark navy socks PERIOD you can make something classic iconic yet appealing and entertaining and simply modify that look for kits to come and stay with that look with slight mods.

Finally this is the part that is going to get the most criticism and i welcome it. We need a USSF and a Manager who will allow cockiness and swag on the team. 1. It can create better competition within the team as to a I'll Show You approach 2. It is the only way to reach the inner city youths in the future for the game. Inner City youth both black and hispanic love to talk shit plain and simple. They bark and talk trash at one another in pickup basketball, and soccer, 7 on 7 football matches i can speak to this because I am a minority its how i played the game. It is just a way players make themselves better and show off their skills. Inner city youth will NEVER follow the template that the USSF and JK use.

I was talking to a couple buddies who recreationally and we went to a Boys and Girls club soccer day in a lower income area i live near. And we asked if any of the kids knew any players and who their favorites where. Some said Demps of course a and Jozy...NONE SAID Bradley, or Zusi, or Besley...but what got us was a bunch of them said Adu. I asked why Adu, and one kid said this..."he can dribble and spin" ....... which is why i think players of his talent and skill set should be included because these kids see this and they try to be that player...they probably dont even know he doesnt have club play..but the fact that inner cities kids were at least trying to be a SOCCER PLAYER...umm that kinda says something. If you put that match yesterday in front of those kids....they are gonna change their mind to basketball and football....

CS10
Post #26
Thursday March 6, 2014 4:11pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 94
Original post from MSantoine

Instead of trying out any of these guys we keep going with Bedoya and playing Fab at LW instead of the much needed LB. Do you think US is better with Beasley/Castillo at LB and Fab at LW or Fab at LB and Arriola or Homes at LW. Id take Fab and the young guy any day of the week


I agree with you obviously that's what you would want. That's why it's too late in the cycle for those young guys

cudevil
Post #27
Thursday March 6, 2014 5:07pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,168
Original post from MSantoine

comments like this one show your either dumb or ignorant. No one is saying to frop Bradley, Jozy, Howard, Landon, Besler. This is about the fringe suck bag players we keep throwing minutes to. How many more times must we see Castillo face plant? Why does Gooch play 90'? If Gooch steps foot in brazil we know its 3 and out for us so why? How many minutes has Evans and Beckerman got the last three years? Your telling me those are World cup caliber players? Jermaine Jones looks like he's done. Dempsey plays like he knows no matter how much he sucks his spot is secure.

One of the main reasons teams like Italy, Brazil, Spain, Germany, Portugal have gotten to where they are is because the players know that if they slack off, or have a drop in form they are off the team for a year plus until they get it back. Thats the way it should be.

Again if your not smart enough I'll spell it out again. Spain is choosing between players who start for the best clubs in the world. Germany too. If your not on one of those teams you shouldnt get looks. We start players in MLS and Mexico, and not even the best Mexican teams at that. If we have a 30 something yard old MLS lifer then why not give his minutes to a 20 year old MLS guy. If the 20 year old is good enough to start in MLS, and not just Chivas but a real MLS team, then he should be getting some looks. It sucks watching US set themselves up for a horrendous world cup. When we set out a lineup versus Ghana that includes Brad Evans, Beasley, Goodson or Gooch, Jermaine Jones is that one your excited to get behind? Look at the the last few world cup winners. What teams did their players play on? Spain had 16 of 23 participate in UCL that year. No one outside of top La Liga or EPL teams. In 2006 Italy was completely Serie A players and only 5 that didnt play in Europe. In 02 Brazil was all either top Brazilian league teams or top Euro teams. No MLS guys. No MX guys. No Scandanavian guys. This is what USSF should be thriving to become. Going forward Is Edgar Castillo ever going to play in a UCL game? Beckerman? Goodson? Beasley? Evans? Who has a better chance of playing for a top team Luis Gil or Beckerman? Yedlin or Evans? Packwood or Gooch? Thats the issue.


The problem here is that you are treating the World Cup as some sort of developmental tournament. It's not. You don't just give minutes to young guys just because they have more talent on paper. Brooks is a prime example. Sure, he has a lot of talent, with a very high ceiling. And in a perfect world, he'd slot in as a starter in Brazil, but he's clearly not close to being ready. He's more talented than a Goodson or a Besler or Gonzo, but he's not playing better than those guys. Throw him out there (or substitute Packwood), and we'd get absolutely crushed in all three games.

You don't see any mid-level or higher national teams taking these kinds of risks. And no, England, Spain, or whomever giving a cap to a talented youngster in a friendly is not the same as what you are suggesting (esp. where those teams have the luxury of experimenting due to having quality options in front of them). At most you might see one youngster playing (Jetro Willems for the Dutch at the last Euros comes to mind), with a few deep on the bench just to get integrated.

It's neither realistic or reasonable to think the USSF is broken just because they don't take the Olympic squad to the WC.

Chrisou101
Post #28
Thursday March 6, 2014 5:47pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 626
According to MSantoine, we should use this world cup to develop players for the next one. HOW STUPID IS THAT. We're going to the world to WIN not developing players, we have youth teams for a reason you know.

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #29
Thursday March 6, 2014 6:04pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 999
Original post from TheTruth

Oh, for fucks sake, you didn't realize he was kidding? The idiocy in these forums never ceases to amaze me. I don't know why I keep coming back. It just depresses me. I need to find another hobby.

+1000

MSantoine
Post #30
Thursday March 6, 2014 6:57pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from Chrisou101

According to MSantoine, we should use this world cup to develop players for the next one. HOW STUPID IS THAT. We're going to the world to WIN not developing players, we have youth teams for a reason you know.


Because Castillo, Beasley, Evans, Beckerman, Jones, gives us the best chance of winning? Please. Ghana, Portugal, and Germany we crush us if thats our lineup. Even if we keep the scoreline respectable, like 2-0 we'll have like 40% possesion. Its obvious we took a step back this world cup. And countries do that all the time. Look at Belgium. They trhew away the 2010 cycle to gear up for this one. They knew they couldnt compete in 2010 so instead of going all out to limp into the world cup and then get embarassed they developed there players, now they are considered one of the dark horse favorites. There's examples of success in international soccer doing it pretty much every way EXCEPT the US way. The way we are setting this world cup roster to be is like the failed rosters of Italy and France in 2010 and Serbia in 2006.

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