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Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #61
Friday July 25, 2014 8:25am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,362
Your name has nothing to do with your statement but I'm sure it has a lot to do with the flak you're catching. Let's look at TV ratings off of a solid year from the world cup, with MANY of the players from the team playing in the MLS. There is only a slight trend in the decline of ratings over the past decade, the most notable in the past three years, and a lot of that is a product of horrible coverage. When I (general "I") can only watch 30% of the games actually played during the season, how am I supposed to be interested in the final? There is a lot that needs to happen for the MLS to be a top league, but I don't think the other established leagues are doing anything that is holding the MLS back from doing that.

You didn't offend me, you made me laugh. And I never said your "stats" were fallacious, I said they weren't researched well.

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #62
Friday July 25, 2014 8:36am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,362
Some more recent articles beside 1 year ago and represent average ratings as opposed to the ratings of MLS finals:

http://awfulannouncing.com/2014/what-mls-can-...

http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2014...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2122990-ml...

http://www.sounderatheart.com/2014/7/16/59040...

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #63
Friday July 25, 2014 8:38am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,362
There was also one article stating that 5 MLS teams were out performing MLB teams but I can't find that one at the moment.

CORRECTION:

Found the article:

http://www.thestreet.com/story/12752071/1/5-m...

But these are not ratings but attendance, which is significant in any league whether you like it or not.

AmericanFootball
Post #64
Saturday July 26, 2014 3:19am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 11
I've learned from personal experience that T.V views is the most important aspect in determining the growth of a league. Its the sole reason you get sponsorship, endorsements, T.V deals and much more. In the end of the day you need money to grow your league and viewership accounts for how much money a league can make. Attendance has nothing to do with the exponential growth of a sport. I know wiki isn't a viable site but it references from many websites and has pretty factual numbers since the league has opened. It just shows the inconsistency of the MLS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Soc...

http://thebiglead.com/2013/11/12/mls-tv-ratin...

dunlopp9987
Post #65
Saturday July 26, 2014 5:30am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,641
Original post from AmericanFootball

I've learned from personal experience that T.V views is the most important aspect in determining the growth of a league. Its the sole reason you get sponsorship, endorsements, T.V deals and much more. In the end of the day you need money to grow your league and viewership accounts for how much money a league can make. Attendance has nothing to do with the exponential growth of a sport. I know wiki isn't a viable site but it references from many websites and has pretty factual numbers since the league has opened. It just shows the inconsistency of the MLS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Soc...

http://thebiglead.com/2013/11/12/mls-tv-ratin...


Please, enlighten us on your "personal experiences". You're clearly a big exec at one of the major national TV networks...
COYB!!
dunlopp9987
Post #66
Saturday July 26, 2014 5:36am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,641
Also, why are you here? Truly, I want to know what you are trying to get out of this. Do you think you'll get us to stop watching the sport or something?
COYB!!
bradleycueball
Virginia
Post #67
Saturday July 26, 2014 6:21am

Joined Feb 2014
Total Posts: 64
One thing that I think is a little overlooked is the impact of the FIFA video game. And I think it will help the growth of MLS a lot more than people think. Of course I have no statistics to back this up, all I have is personal experience. All of my friends are fans of soccer but could care less about the MLS. Wny? Because the MLS teams are not fun to play with in FIFA because they are not good enough. The year MLS teams start to have 4-star ratings is the year you will see an major increase in attendence at MLS games. When you have all of these late teens to mid twenties guys playing FIFA with decent MLS teams, they will want to go see the players in real life.
Terrence Boyd for president
dunlopp9987
Post #68
Saturday July 26, 2014 6:34am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,641
Original post from bradleycueball

One thing that I think is a little overlooked is the impact of the FIFA video game. And I think it will help the growth of MLS a lot more than people think. Of course I have no statistics to back this up, all I have is personal experience. All of my friends are fans of soccer but could care less about the MLS. Wny? Because the MLS teams are not fun to play with in FIFA because they are not good enough. The year MLS teams start to have 4-star ratings is the year you will see an major increase in attendence at MLS games. When you have all of these late teens to mid twenties guys playing FIFA with decent MLS teams, they will want to go see the players in real life.


Lol. That's a ridiculous statement.

2010: MLS average attendance up 4% from 2009.
2011: MLS average attendance up 7.2% from 2010.
2012: MLS average attendance up 5.2% from 2011.
2013: MLS average attendance down 1.1% from 2012.

I'm fine with the 1.1% decrease. This shows that attendance is growing. We all know that. So your statement about how attendance will only improve when MLS teams have 4 star ratings in a video game is proposterous. I actually started laughing when I was just typing that.
COYB!!
admsghs27
Post #69
Saturday July 26, 2014 6:47am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Mls attendance will spike up next year dramatically.. San Jose new satadium more than Double attendance. Orlando over 20 k. Nycfc over 25k most likely, chivas usa soon to be gone I'm guessing over 15 k at least. Idk why Portland doesn't expand to 30k plus they would easily sell out, along with a few other mls teams. Also with the new TV deal Ratings will go up. Plus the salary cap higher along with DP more stars will come. MLS can only go up from here on out. MLB is going down so very soon fans will go with soccer.

AmericanFootball
Post #70
Saturday July 26, 2014 7:58am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 11
You absolutely need viewership in a league. It's a fact that if you can't reel in the numbers then there is no exponential growth in a league. You lose out on big time sponsors, endorsements , huge T.V networks and publicity for a league.The MLS can get as much attendance as the NHL and NBA, but is no where near as popular or wealthy as those leagues. The annual revenue the NBA and NHL far surpasses the amount of money the MLS makes.

coverby
Post #71
Saturday July 26, 2014 8:22am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 501
Original post from AmericanFootball

You absolutely need viewership in a league. It's a fact that if you can't reel in the numbers then there is no exponential growth in a league. You lose out on big time sponsors, endorsements , huge T.V networks and publicity for a league.The MLS can get as much attendance as the NHL and NBA, but is no where near as popular or wealthy as those leagues. The annual revenue the NBA and NHL far surpasses the amount of money the MLS makes.


You use these words but I am pretty sure you have no idea what exponential growth is. Or why it is dumb to even consider that term. Its about growth which has been happening. The NFL didn't just exponentially grow. It took time but I have a feeling you're too retarded to see that.

hamsamwich
Post #72
Saturday July 26, 2014 1:41pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,026
If you are watching and/or playing soccer not because its fun, but because you want it to popular, then what are you doing with your life?

bradleycueball
Virginia
Post #73
Saturday July 26, 2014 2:27pm

Joined Feb 2014
Total Posts: 64
Original post from dunlopp9987

Lol. That's a ridiculous statement.

2010: MLS average attendance up 4% from 2009.
2011: MLS average attendance up 7.2% from 2010.
2012: MLS average attendance up 5.2% from 2011.
2013: MLS average attendance down 1.1% from 2012.

I'm fine with the 1.1% decrease. This shows that attendance is growing. We all know that. So your statement about how attendance will only improve when MLS teams have 4 star ratings in a video game is proposterous. I actually started laughing when I was just typing that.


And in any of those years have MLS teams had a consistent 4 star rating? No. Your dealing with a whole new generation of fans here. Hell, one of the main reasons the sport is growing here is because of the game. And if you don't think that is true then you obviously are not paying attention. Why do you think there are so many Manchester City/United/Chelsea/Barca/Real Madid fanboys running around this country? Part of it is because they play with these teams every day in FIFA. I have witnessed this first hand amongst the thousands of people that go to my college. They could name you the starting 11 of top EPL teams but could give less of a shit of their own countries teams! Same reason a lot of people root for other national teams beside the us
Terrence Boyd for president
AmericanFootball
Post #74
Sunday July 27, 2014 9:53am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 11
Original post from coverby

You use these words but I am pretty sure you have no idea what exponential growth is. Or why it is dumb to even consider that term. Its about growth which has been happening. The NFL didn't just exponentially grow. It took time but I have a feeling you're too retarded to see that.


Hoe can you possibly say the MLS is growing if last year's final had the lowest amount of views in MLS history. It makes no sense to say the league is growing when the viewership numbers are to inconsistent. If there was a rise in viewership yearly then you can make a valid argument that the MLS is growing, but clearly there isn't.

MSantoine
Post #75
Sunday July 27, 2014 11:52am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from AmericanFootball

Hoe can you possibly say the MLS is growing if last year's final had the lowest amount of views in MLS history. It makes no sense to say the league is growing when the viewership numbers are to inconsistent. If there was a rise in viewership yearly then you can make a valid argument that the MLS is growing, but clearly there isn't.


You really look dumb using this as your argument. Look at mlb ratings the last 20 years, almost 40 million down to about 15 million. NHL went from over 4 to under 2. NBA has been like a roller coaster but is no where near where it was in the late 80s early 90s. The only two sports that haven't dropped off are mls and nfl.

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