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dunlopp9987
Post #16
Monday February 24, 2014 11:50pm

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Original post from SiteBomb621

Baseball is not the 2nd most popular sport as of today...i do believe the MLS has a better attendance record than Baseball, and the fact that soccer is the most popular sport among children up to 7th grade...and the fact that Little League baseball is really really really struggling....baseball is not 2nd. Besides the yanks, phils, red sox, dodgers, cards and a few more squads..those stadiums are empty or 50% or less filled.


First off, I don't believe MLS outdrew MLB in attendance. They outdrew NBA and NHL. Secondly, attendance is not the only barometer of popularity. Look at those viewer numbers that EKneezy posted above. That is a Grand Canyon-sized gulf in the amount of viewers.

We all love soccer and want it to be a huge sport here. And for a lot of Americans, it is. But it is still a niche sport, and will continue to be so for at least 5 years.
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Jzaval01
Post #17
Monday February 24, 2014 11:56pm

Joined May 2013
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Personally doesnt bother me because some of our Americans counter can be stupid and blunt. Regardless I see why it does bother others. It will eventually change whether people like or not.

dunlopp9987
Post #18
Monday February 24, 2014 11:59pm

Joined Mar 2013
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2013 MLS attendance numbers
http://mlsattendance.blogspot.com/2013/10/201...

2013 MLB attendance numbers
http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance

Correct me if I'm wrong, but 10 out of the 19 MLS teams had a lower average attendance than THE LOWEST AVERAGE ATTENDED mlb team (Tampa bay).

Also, 5 MLS teams averaged over 20,000 fans per game. 27 of the 30 MLB teams did that.

Facts speak for themselves.
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Red
NY
Post #19
Tuesday February 25, 2014 12:24am

Joined Jul 2012
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Soccer itself is pretty mainstream at this point. Soccer is a "major sport" just like stock car racing it. Liga MX averaged something like 600k on Unimas this year and the EPL has higher ratings than the NHL regular season, both highly impressive feats, not to mention the high drawing US/Mex NT's on TV.

MLS is not. MLS will need another decade(or so) to become truly mainstream. I say by 2030 MLS will be a "major" league in the US. That's a fair prediction point. MLS has come such a long way and its only a matter of time before its a top league and the NT is constantly among the best.

stone88
Post #20
Tuesday February 25, 2014 1:16am

Joined Aug 2012
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Original post from Red

Soccer itself is pretty mainstream at this point. Soccer is a "major sport" just like stock car racing it. Liga MX averaged something like 600k on Unimas this year and the EPL has higher ratings than the NHL regular season, both highly impressive feats, not to mention the high drawing US/Mex NT's on TV.

MLS is not. MLS will need another decade(or so) to become truly mainstream. I say by 2030 MLS will be a "major" league in the US. That's a fair prediction point. MLS has come such a long way and its only a matter of time before its a top league and the NT is constantly among the best.


This is exactly right, Soccer IS already a major sport, however MLS isn't really seen as a major league yet. It was always going to be an uphill battle for MLS to compete against both traditional american sports leagues as well as century old soccer leagues around the globe. IMO the MLS doesn't NEED to be the best league in the world (though I'd like it if it were), but if it was on par with the Brazilian, Argentine, Portugues, Dutch, and Belgian leagues, which I think is possible in the next 15-20 years, I'd be ecstatic and confident that MLS would be exactly what its name says it is, "major league".

HooliganNYC
NYC
Post #21
Tuesday February 25, 2014 1:43am

Joined Feb 2014
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I believe soccer is a 'major' sport, but the fact is attendance is still not there.
Average attendance is one thing and the average is rising, but total attendance is more important than average. And in total attendance MLS is still 1/3 behind NFL, NBA and NHL and don't even try to compare it to baseball.

Here is the site you should be using for this discussion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Soc...

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #22
Tuesday February 25, 2014 1:55am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,125
Original post from HooliganNYC

I believe soccer is a 'major' sport, but the fact is attendance is still not there.
Average attendance is one thing and the average is rising, but total attendance is more important than average. And in total attendance MLS is still 1/3 behind NFL, NBA and NHL and don't even try to compare it to baseball.

Here is the site you should be using for this discussion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Soc...


Total attendance??? Really. How is that even logical? How many games do all of those leagues have? NFL sure, is far and above with less games, but the other three?? MLB is 162 games per team, that's nearly five times the amount of games, not to mention more teams. The same goes with NHL and NBA. It's stupid to compare total attendance.

dunlopp9987
Post #23
Tuesday February 25, 2014 2:17am

Joined Mar 2013
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Original post from USnLFCfan

Total attendance??? Really. How is that even logical? How many games do all of those leagues have? NFL sure, is far and above with less games, but the other three?? MLB is 162 games per team, that's nearly five times the amount of games, not to mention more teams. The same goes with NHL and NBA. It's stupid to compare total attendance.


This. That's why average attendance IS the best barometer.
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admsghs27
Post #24
Tuesday February 25, 2014 2:23am

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Mls attendance will go up significantly when SJ moves in to their new stadium. And chivas usa rebrands, possibly relocates. Also when dc.unired, revolution get their won stadium. Even better when some teams expand their capacity. Also ratings will go up.

rainORshine
Post #25
Tuesday February 25, 2014 2:24am

Joined Dec 2012
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another aspect of this discussion is to look on the other side of MLS... who is the nearest 'competitor' behind MLS? absolutely no one.

MLS is all by itself as that 5th league that is way beyond start-up / small potatoes but not quite big enough to be unanimously considered in the same 'league' as the top 4.

so when does it cross over? my guess is just when enough soccer folks make a big enough fuss about it being a big 5, not a big 4

the best argument for now is that avg attendance is better than NBA and NHL and that MLS is easily the most rapidly growing league - attendance and revenue is growing and the league has grown from 10 franchises in 05 to 21 next year (22 in 2017, 24 by end of decade)

HooliganNYC
NYC
Post #26
Tuesday February 25, 2014 3:05am

Joined Feb 2014
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Original post from USnLFCfan

Total attendance??? Really. How is that even logical? How many games do all of those leagues have? NFL sure, is far and above with less games, but the other three?? MLB is 162 games per team, that's nearly five times the amount of games, not to mention more teams. The same goes with NHL and NBA. It's stupid to compare total attendance.


http://www.whatyoupayforsports.com/2013/04/wh...

The article is a year old but still relevant.

MSantoine
Post #27
Tuesday February 25, 2014 3:07am

Joined Nov 2012
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The thing people have to understand is that there is one very clear undebatable fact that separates MLS from being a "major sport". What's the best football league in the world? Best baseball league? Best basketball league? Best hockey league? When MLS is the top soccer league in the world it will be a major sport. Until that day it just won't be.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #28
Tuesday February 25, 2014 3:09am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,125
Original post from HooliganNYC

http://www.whatyoupayforsports.com/2013/04/wh...

The article is a year old but still relevant.


There's your argument. TV ratings. Not total attendance. That's a logical stance and you would be right.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #29
Tuesday February 25, 2014 3:11am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from MSantoine

The thing people have to understand is that there is one very clear undebatable fact that separates MLS from being a "major sport". What's the best football league in the world? Best baseball league? Best basketball league? Best hockey league? When MLS is the top soccer league in the world it will be a major sport. Until that day it just won't be.


Never then. That's not the condition though. It's all about money, get the ratings up, which boosts TV revenue, and then it can start thinking about beating NHL and NBA

skangles
DC
Post #30
Tuesday February 25, 2014 3:40am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,773
The really ridiculous angle is that the reason we're talking about this right now is because of all the news about Jason Collins being the first openly gay athlete to play for one of the "big four" when Robbie Rogers went through the same thing last season before Collins or anybody else. Im fine with the MLS not being listed in the same breath as the NFL, NBA or MLB but the NHL love is kind of ridiculous.

Speaking of Rogers, I'm on the record as saying that trade would be win-win in the YA archives. I think thats one of the dumbest statements I've made on this forum.

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