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Post #16
Monday February 24, 2014 4:09pm

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Jozy was also far from "limited" against Bosnia, world cup level competition, just 7 months ago when he scored a hat trick. Friendlies are a different beast but the reality is AJ has accomplished nothing that Jozy has not. Jozy already blazed through the Dutch league and played in huge EPL and international games. Aron is just beginning this process. He might be better, but I don't see any reason to believe he is better. But either way it is going to fall on Klinnsy to have a good feel for the roster and be able to ride the hot hand a bit when the games do matter.

rainORshine
Post #17
Monday February 24, 2014 4:44pm

Joined Dec 2012
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Original post from rotosportsbook

Jozy was also far from "limited" against Bosnia, world cup level competition, just 7 months ago when he scored a hat trick. Friendlies are a different beast but the reality is AJ has accomplished nothing that Jozy has not. Jozy already blazed through the Dutch league and played in huge EPL and international games. Aron is just beginning this process. He might be better, but I don't see any reason to believe he is better. But either way it is going to fall on Klinnsy to have a good feel for the roster and be able to ride the hot hand a bit when the games do matter.


you kind of just made my point

JUST 7 months ago? 7 months ago jozy looked good after bosnia made wholesale changes at halftime. and that was the last time jozy really looked good AND was productive

jozy essentially did nothing to earn a spot in starting 11 under BB. after davies got hurt he had no competition. AJ is far more accomplished now than jozy was when he began getting opportunities to start

as long as people realize its a double standard. AJ obviously can not do the same things internationally until he has the chance

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #18
Monday February 24, 2014 5:39pm

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I'm with Rain on this one. Jozy is out of form, and AJ is lights out. I love Jozy but if AJ doesn't get some quality time against Ukraine, even if it is in a two striker system, I'm gonna have to wonder what JK is thinking.

EKneezy
Post #19
Monday February 24, 2014 6:19pm

Joined May 2013
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His Sunderland situation is shitty. At times they look confident and attack with intent but mostly it's just a mess of bad giveaways, terrible tackles, and no possession. Jozy hasnt made most of those limited opportunities. But thats mostly to bad midfield play.
They're fighting for their lives. I think his situation deserves a different lense although he is out out of form.

I'm positive AJ will get time against Ukraine(if there's a game). He's shown to be able to play at the highest levels. And is tearing it up at AZ.

MSantoine
Post #20
Monday February 24, 2014 6:22pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from rainORshine

you kind of just made my point

JUST 7 months ago? 7 months ago jozy looked good after bosnia made wholesale changes at halftime. and that was the last time jozy really looked good AND was productive

jozy essentially did nothing to earn a spot in starting 11 under BB. after davies got hurt he had no competition. AJ is far more accomplished now than jozy was when he began getting opportunities to start

as long as people realize its a double standard. AJ obviously can not do the same things internationally until he has the chance


Such is the life of international soccer. Timing is 75% of getting your chance. Look at our defense. With dolo, Boca, and Gooch fading out of the picture more players got more chances then they normally would. Normally its like Boyd where you get a handful of sub appearances and thats it. You can be the 2nd best #10 in the world. If your Argentinian you arent starting over Messi. It happens all the time. You cant knock Jozy because the rest of our striker pool sucked back then, just like you shouldnt reward Aron just because Jozy got chances at the same time years ago. Its apples to oranges

richieJkulesaNY
Post #21
Monday February 24, 2014 6:22pm

Joined Jun 2012
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Do you guys think Aron would be having the same trouble at Sunderland?

EKneezy
Post #22
Monday February 24, 2014 6:26pm

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Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Do you guys think Aron would be having the same trouble at Sunderland?


Thought about this a lot. I honestly believe he'd have more goals than what Jozy has but maybe 2-3 more. His style of play is different than Jozy's.

navi8132
Post #23
Monday February 24, 2014 6:41pm

Joined Jul 2012
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He can create for himself. So he would do better.

rainORshine
Post #24
Monday February 24, 2014 7:07pm

Joined Dec 2012
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just so i not misunderstood...

not saying that jozy is not good and not saying i definitely think AJ is better. just think that based on the way things have gone for both through the fall/winter that i would like to see the door open for AJ to maybe have a chance to get a start or 2 in WC - depending on how things go down through the spring

for instance, maybe jozy starts v ghana and germany (he has played v both of them previously), but AJ gets the nod v portugal...

something like that. just hoping JK is flexible enough to consider

46and2
Post #25
Monday February 24, 2014 7:49pm

Joined Dec 2012
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I don't even think it's a Jozy vs. AJ question really, except perhaps for a specific tactical situation. As others have said, different skill sets and playing styles and in games against Germany and Portugal where we aren't likely to have a whole lot of the ball, someone is going to be asked to do the dirty work hold up play. That won't be AJ. In that sense, AJ isn't competition for Jozy any more than Davies was.

AJ has definitely been earning his shot and I think he'll get it. We'll see a lot of him vs. Ukraine and we'll see him at the WC (at least in a supersub role). I think the real question may be, what does JK do if he does want to start AJ and the answer may not just be to plug him in for Jozy. JK will still probably want the physical presence and hold up play, so the question might become:

Do we change the formation to get AJ in and start AJ and Jozy together in more of a 4-4-2?

Does someone else pair better with AJ and take Jozy's place like moving Dempsey closer to goal?

Point being, yes, AJ deserves his shot, but I don't think it is necessarily as a plug and play replacement for Jozy.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #26
Monday February 24, 2014 8:25pm

Joined Jun 2012
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Original post from navi8132

He can create for himself. So he would do better.


This is what I think too. Along with the ability to turn on the ball, his first touch is better and that allows him to create not only his own chances, but chances for others, as well, from a holding position/play. I think they are basically the same player and starting both of them would be a mistake.

rotosportsbook
Post #27
Tuesday February 25, 2014 5:32pm

Joined Aug 2013
Total Posts: 20
"not saying that jozy is not good and not saying i definitely think AJ is better. just think that based on the way things have gone for both through the fall/winter that i would like to see the door open for AJ to maybe have a chance to get a start or 2 in WC - depending on how things go down through the spring"

I for one did misunderstand you. Personally I don't see anyone who shouldn't have to prove himself over the next 3 months, outside of maybe Fabian Johnson due to a combination of talent and a real lack of competition. But I don't think this really has to do with Jozy's shortcomings or poor performances at Sunderland as it has to do with the fact that a) we do have some decent depth and b) we have very few sure things.

I assume Bradley, Donovan, and Howard can walk into their roles to some extent, based on the trust JK has in them, but I sure hope Jozy, Dempsey, Jones, Gonzo, etc earn their roles either this spring or at the May camp.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #28
Wednesday March 12, 2014 11:35pm

Joined Mar 2014
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Original post from rotosportsbook

"not saying that jozy is not good and not saying i definitely think AJ is better.......... etc etc


Everything you said. Altidore's situation is unfortunate, but it also looks like it will affect the WC player he is or would be. We have to take the best CF in May, not the most pedigreed one.
The AJ v JA question from the OP is really a bigger tactical question.

hamsamwich
Post #29
Thursday March 13, 2014 2:47am

Joined Oct 2013
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@mmee - "The best CF in May"

that's what the camp and friendlies are for. At least Altidore should be fresh for Brazil

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #30
Thursday March 13, 2014 10:15pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 28
Original post from hamsamwich

@mmee - "The best CF in May"

that's what the camp and friendlies are for. At least Altidore should be fresh for Brazil


Yeah. That's what I meant, too, I just misspoke. Obviously Jozy's going.

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