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Know Nothing
Post #106
Tuesday February 24, 2015 6:40pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Original post from 2tone

It's already started. Both the EPL and La Liga have issued statements in regards to an anti- winter world cup in Qatar.

This issue is going to be huge.

Yes players have to be released for FIFA official tournaments, but we are forgetting one thing. It's the players choice to actually play for their national team. How many players are going to want to play a half of the season in Europe and then play a WC then go right back to playing the rest of the season? I would imagine there will be player boycotts.

If the big time players decide to not play in the WC in 2022, then no one could care less to watch.

FIFA better prepared to take a massive hit financially.


Unfortunately the players have no say...if they are called they must turn up. I remember Claude Makalale publicly retired from the French team but Blanc continued to call him and FIFA made him turn out or be suspended from club football.

It is 7 years away and there is a lot of time to work this out, but you have to wonder what the outcome of the vote would have been if this proposed date change had been brought forward at the time of the voting?

This will affect the FIFA Club World Championship which will either have to be played in the summer or right after the WC. At any rate if this madness goes forward, and with all the money on the game it certainly will, the WC will be a joke because the best players will be worn down from playing three times a week for 3 months straight before going to the WC.

In some ways, this schedule would benefit the USMNT provided, ironicaly, our best players are playing domestically

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #107
Tuesday February 24, 2015 8:26pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,191
They are not going to move the WC because that would be admitting they were wrong to award the WC to Quatar. It is interesting that in their bid Quatar made several promises which they have not been able to keep. When a country can not meet their obligations is there any kind of punitive action?

Know Nothing
Post #108
Tuesday February 24, 2015 8:39pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,892
Original post from Kamphgruppe

When a country can not meet their obligations is there any kind of punitive action?


They can move the World Cup. 1986 was supposed to be in Colombia but the infrastructure was nowhere near ready and the moved it to Mexico

chillguy1992
Post #109
Tuesday February 24, 2015 9:57pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,118
Players like money but players also arent going to completely screw up their bodies just so the world cup can host it in November December. Also league federations such as bundesliga epl and La Liga are going to be adamantly against this. Club Owners have a ton of sway. If they feel like a winter world cup will screw up their players they will do everything in their power to change the world cup back to summer. Plus all the sponsorship's that signed on for a summer world cup in Qatar now can sue fifa for breach of contract. On top of that fox is going to demand that fifa move the world cup back to summer. Fifa by doing this action is going to face a lot of lawsuits bet on it book it and sell it to the highest bidder. The litigation that fifa will possibly be facing could be in the billions of dollars so no this is not a done deal and not even close to being done. The fifa committee that ratifies this is filled with corruption they have fixed none of these issues. Right now every corporation or company that might be getting screwed over is trying to prepare a best course of action to change it back to summer. If you think players have power just wait till club owners get organized along with corporate sponsors. Good luck hosting this in november fifa you better get the checkbook out because the lawyers wont be cheap defending all the possible breach of contract.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/2...

TheTruth
Post #110
Tuesday February 24, 2015 10:32pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 954
Uh, some of you guys are a little backwards on the potential of player revolts.

Current WCs are much tougher on those who play in Europe - after long, grueling seasons they get zero rest and zero gap before their pre-seasons (OK, sure their club coaches might let them report a week late).

WCs during the middle of the season, like it is for MLSers, is much more tolerable from a player point of view.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #111
Tuesday February 24, 2015 10:59pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,652
Original post from Know Nothing

Unfortunately the players have no say...if they are called they must turn up. I remember Claude Makalale publicly retired from the French team but Blanc continued to call him and FIFA made him turn out or be suspended from club football.

It is 7 years away and there is a lot of time to work this out, but you have to wonder what the outcome of the vote would have been if this proposed date change had been brought forward at the time of the voting?

This will affect the FIFA Club World Championship which will either have to be played in the summer or right after the WC. At any rate if this madness goes forward, and with all the money on the game it certainly will, the WC will be a joke because the best players will be worn down from playing three times a week for 3 months straight before going to the WC.

In some ways, this schedule would benefit the USMNT provided, ironicaly, our best players are playing domestically


Tyranny at it's finest. Player: I don't want to play anymore. Country and FIFA: You have to play or you can't play for your club. Sad thing is that France has done this to multiple players.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #112
Wednesday February 25, 2015 4:12am

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 894
Original post from TheTruth

Uh, some of you guys are a little backwards on the potential of player revolts.

Current WCs are much tougher on those who play in Europe - after long, grueling seasons they get zero rest and zero gap before their pre-seasons (OK, sure their club coaches might let them report a week late).

WCs during the middle of the season, like it is for MLSers, is much more tolerable from a player point of view.


The truth has spoken. MLS players haven't had any issues playing in World Cups.
If you don't love it, leave it, USA #1
MSantoine
Post #113
Wednesday February 25, 2015 12:33pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from chillguy1992

Players like money but players also arent going to completely screw up their bodies just so the world cup can host it in November December. Also league federations such as bundesliga epl and La Liga are going to be adamantly against this. Club Owners have a ton of sway. If they feel like a winter world cup will screw up their players they will do everything in their power to change the world cup back to summer. Plus all the sponsorship's that signed on for a summer world cup in Qatar now can sue fifa for breach of contract. On top of that fox is going to demand that fifa move the world cup back to summer. Fifa by doing this action is going to face a lot of lawsuits bet on it book it and sell it to the highest bidder. The litigation that fifa will possibly be facing could be in the billions of dollars so no this is not a done deal and not even close to being done. The fifa committee that ratifies this is filled with corruption they have fixed none of these issues. Right now every corporation or company that might be getting screwed over is trying to prepare a best course of action to change it back to summer. If you think players have power just wait till club owners get organized along with corporate sponsors. Good luck hosting this in november fifa you better get the checkbook out because the lawyers wont be cheap defending all the possible breach of contract.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/2...


It's only breach of contract if in agreements fifa stated a World Cup between June and August. They likely just said in the year 2022 meaning the advertisers won't have a leg to stand on unless they had a foresight to mention something like their deal is only good through a certain month. I'm going to assume that didn't happen as since every World Cup has been in the summer they probably assumed this one would be as well and didn't worry about adding protective language.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #114
Tuesday May 19, 2015 5:01pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,191
Here is an interesting read

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mi...

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #115
Tuesday May 19, 2015 5:30pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,467
Original post from Kamphgruppe

Here is an interesting read

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mi...


Short answer, yes - the World Cup is definitely worth it.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater...the baby being international competition and the dirty bathwater being corruption.

From the article: "Yes, it was a mistake of course," Blatter said last year of the decision to award Qatar the World Cup. "But one makes lots of mistakes in life."


admsghs27
Post #116
Tuesday May 19, 2015 6:43pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
hahaha Blatter the man of few words.... He has made more Mistakes than right choices in his Life, And yet he continues. I don't know if most poeple here know about it but FIFA is thinking of taking away a WC spot from Combebol because of a few fans behavior during the Boca V River game. That is the most idiotic consideration i ever heard do they not know UEFA has worst Violence and Racism than any other region in the World!!! UEFA is the one who should lose WC spots every time. if anything they all should be banned.

hamsamwich
Post #117
Tuesday May 19, 2015 6:57pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,630
Blatter wanted and voted for the USA- it was Platini via suggestion from former French president Sarkozy that swung the deciding vote.

Mojofc
Post #118
Tuesday May 19, 2015 8:56pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 966
Original post from hamsamwich

Blatter wanted and voted for the USA- it was Platini via suggestion from former French president Sarkozy that swung the deciding vote.


Blatter knows exactly what he's doing. He knew it would go to Qatar so he voted for the USA so no one could blame him for the mess.
Rain, rain, go away Come again another day - USMNT, MUFC
recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #119
Tuesday May 19, 2015 9:12pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,467
Original post from Mojofc

Blatter knows exactly what he's doing. He knew it would go to Qatar so he voted for the USA so no one could blame him for the mess.


His political maneuvering and ass-covering is truly elite-level...he makes our government's politicians look like 5th graders playing Model UN.

coverby
Post #120
Wednesday May 27, 2015 5:09am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 501
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/27/sports/socc...%3D=tw-nytsports

What effect do you think this will have on 2022?

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