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Post #136
Wednesday May 27, 2015 2:40pm

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Dude the FBI and DOJ has been investigating this for awhile. Prince Ali has nothing to do with the US DOJ.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #137
Wednesday May 27, 2015 3:09pm

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that is an interesting theory for World Cup matches. However I don't think it would work with matches WORLD WIDE. It would be too much travel. Expenses would be CRAZY, as well as the Jet Lag, etc. Imagine having a game in China, then flying to Nigeria for a game 4 days later, then flying to Brazil for a game 5 days after that. EXPENSIVE. Would see an increase in injuries, etc.

What I could see happening is a rotation of the confederations hosting.

IE:
2018 - Europe
2022 - Asia
2026 - North America
2030 - Africa
2034 - South America
2038 - Europe
2042 - Asia
2046 - North America
2050 - Africa
2054 - South America

Essentially each confederation would host every 20 years. No bidding with FIFA, etc.

Each confederation could design their own system as to where the games will be played, etc.

Potential for how Concacaf could set it up. Have 2 geographically close cities host 1 group (and/or cities with 2 stadiums).

Group A - Guadalajara
Group B - Orlando/Miami
Group C - Kingston/Havana
Group D - San Salvador/San Jose (C.R.)
Group E - Toronto/Montreal
Group F - Dallas/Houston
Group G - Portland/Seattle
Group H - Chicago/Detroit

Then for the Knockout stages you have 5 cities that will host games. 4 will host 2 round of 16 games and quarterfinals, and the last 1 will host the Semifinals, 3/4th place, and Finals

Mexico City - 2 round of 16/QF
New York - 2 round of 16/QF
Los Angeles - 2 round of 16/QF
Edmonton - 2 round of 16/QF
Washington DC - Semifinals/3&4/Finals
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MSantoine
Post #138
Wednesday May 27, 2015 3:10pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from db707

FIFA suspends countries when the country's government interferes with the management of the country's soccer authority. This is a different ballgame. We've known Concacaf is a ridiculous cesspool of corruption. And we're not innocent in this either, we've been party to it, this shouldn't be viewed as a US good, Russia and Qatar (and corrupt FIFA officials) bad thing. Look at Chuck Blazer as one example. Everyone's responsible ultimately, including us as fans for feeding in. What the major corporate partners do now will be interesting to see. Nike was vaguely referenced in the Justice Department memo as being complicit, they should be on watch. Coca-Cola, McDonald's, etc., what if anything will they do. FIFA needs to be scrapped, the name is poison and international soccer should be totally reorganized. I hope that happens but am not holding my breath for a complete overhaul.


This is from FIFA bylaws:

3.
The Associations shall insert a clause in their statutes or regulations, stipulating that it is prohibited to take disputes in the Association or disputes affecting Leagues, members of Leagues, Clubs, members of Clubs, Players,Officials and other Association Officials to ordinary courts of law,unless the FIFA regulations or binding legalprovisions specifically provide for or stipulate recourseto ordinary courts of law. Instead of recourse to ordinary courts of law, provision shall be made for arbitration. Such disputes shall be taken to an independent and duly constituted arbitration tribunal recognized under the rules of the Association or Confederation or to CAS. The Associations shall also ensure that this stipulation is implemented in the Association, if necessaryby imposing a binding obligation on its members. The Associationsshall impose sanctions on any party that fails to respect this obligation and ensure that any appeal against such sanctions shall likewise be strictly submitted to arbitration, and not to ordinary courts of law.

So pretty much it says you cant go to court with a FIFA issue. They could argue that US went to court to attack FIFA. Not saying they will but I dont think its an impossibility and would make a huge story if it were to happen.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #139
Wednesday May 27, 2015 3:13pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
So essentially FIFA is saying they think they are above the law and if you challenge it you are cut off?

Yeah, that won't stand up...
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db707
Post #140
Wednesday May 27, 2015 3:19pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,128
Original post from USAGunner

that is an interesting theory for World Cup matches. However I don't think it would work with matches WORLD WIDE. It would be too much travel. Expenses would be CRAZY, as well as the Jet Lag, etc. Imagine having a game in China, then flying to Nigeria for a game 4 days later, then flying to Brazil for a game 5 days after that. EXPENSIVE. Would see an increase in injuries, etc.

What I could see happening is a rotation of the confederations hosting.

IE:
2018 - Europe
2022 - Asia
2026 - North America
2030 - Africa
2034 - South America
2038 - Europe
2042 - Asia
2046 - North America
2050 - Africa
2054 - South America

Essentially each confederation would host every 20 years. No bidding with FIFA, etc.

Each confederation could design their own system as to where the games will be played, etc.

Potential for how Concacaf could set it up. Have 2 geographically close cities host 1 group (and/or cities with 2 stadiums).

Group A - Guadalajara
Group B - Orlando/Miami
Group C - Kingston/Havana
Group D - San Salvador/San Jose (C.R.)
Group E - Toronto/Montreal
Group F - Dallas/Houston
Group G - Portland/Seattle
Group H - Chicago/Detroit

Then for the Knockout stages you have 5 cities that will host games. 4 will host 2 round of 16 games and quarterfinals, and the last 1 will host the Semifinals, 3/4th place, and Finals

Mexico City - 2 round of 16/QF
New York - 2 round of 16/QF
Los Angeles - 2 round of 16/QF
Edmonton - 2 round of 16/QF
Washington DC - Semifinals/3&4/Finals


To clarify, my idea was to have early round matches spread out, then come back together for later games at one site. Teams would still have a base in one country or region for those early games, it wouldn't be one game in Africa, one in Asia, etc.

hamsamwich
Post #141
Wednesday May 27, 2015 3:21pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,630
I think that is referring to actions within the confederations.

DOJ charged these people with fraud, money laundering, etc...
They are in trouble now- remember this is the sort of stuff they got lance Armstrong with- except this indictment is that one on steroids.

Raise your hand if you knew Warner was a scam artist.

MSantoine
Post #142
Wednesday May 27, 2015 3:26pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from db707

To clarify, my idea was to have early round matches spread out, then come back together for later games at one site. Teams would still have a base in one country or region for those early games, it wouldn't be one game in Africa, one in Asia, etc.


I could see something like that. Its essentially what the UEFA Euros are turning into. It would likely be a little more spread out. Something like group A & B play in 2 Mexican Stadiums, LA, & San Antonio/Dallas/Houston and rotate their. C & D get Seattle, Vancouver, San Francisco, Denver. E & F Miami, Atlanta, New Orleans, maybe 1 Carribean venue. G & H get Montreal, Toronto, NY, Baltimore/Phile/DC/Foxboro/Hartford.

That way each match day, which is 4 matches, has one match at each of the region stadiums. Can either have completely different venues for knockouts or just swap them so like AB & CD move to the east coast for first two knockout rounds and EFGH go west. Then semis & Finals are obviously in one venue. Make the "Host" count as where the final is played (so in europe if the final will be played in Barcelona then Spain is the host of the world cup). Its doable and with the week long break between group stages and knockout rounds teams have enough time to travel and adjust to the new timezone.

USsoccerfan90
Post #143
Wednesday May 27, 2015 3:54pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 63
Thank you ham. I kept reading these comments and wondering if people read what these people are being charged with. The reason you only see Concacaf and Comebol officials being charged is because they are the ones most likely to use US banks to commit these infractions. The US cant go out and charge any official. My guess is that if any country looked into these officials deep enough they would find the same thing happening in their organization, granted I don't know what other countries laws are on money laundering, wire fraud and racketeering.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #144
Wednesday May 27, 2015 4:36pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Using what I outlined above using the 2014 games it would have had:

Group A (Mexico, Brazil, Croatia, Cameroon):
June 13 - Brazil v Croatia (Estadio Jalisco)
June 14 - Mexico v Cameroon (Estadio Omnilife)
June 18 - Brazil v Mexico (Estadio Jalisco)
June 19 - Croatia v Cameroon (Estadio Omnilife)
June 23 - Brazil v Cameroon (Estadio Jalisco)
June 24 - Mexico v Croatia (Estadio Omnilife)

Group B (Netherlands, Spain, Chile, Australia)
June 14 - Spain v Netherlands (Miami)
June 15 - Chile v Australia (Citrus Bowl)
June 19 - Australia v Netherlands (Citrus Bowl)
June 20 - Spain v Chile (Miami)
June 24 - Australia v Spain (Miami)
June 25 - Chile v Netherlands (Citrus Bowl)

Group C (Colombia, Greece, Ivory Coast, Japan)
June 15 - Colombia v Greece (Estadio Latinamericano)
June 16 - Ivory Coast v Japan (Independence Park)
June 20 - Colombia v Ivory Coast (Estadio Latinamericano)
June 21 - Greece v Japan (Independence Park)
June 25 - Colombia v Japan (Estadio Latinamericano)
June 26 - Greece v Ivory Coast (Independence Park)

Group D (Costa Rica, Uruguay, Italy, England)
June 14 - Uruguay v Costa Rica (National Stadium)
June 15 - Italy v England (Estadio Cuscatlan)
June 19 - Uruguay v England (Estadio Cuscatlan)
June 20 - Italy v Costa Rica (National Stadium)
June 24 - Costa Rica v England (National Stadium)
June 25 - Uruguay v Italy (Estadio Cuscatlan)

Group E (France, Ecuador, Honduras, Switzerland)
June 13 - France v Honduras (Olympic Stadium)
June 14 - Ecuador v Switzerland (Rogers Centre)
June 18 - Switzerland v France (Rogers Centre)
June 19 - Ecuador v Honduras (Olympic Stadium)
June 23 - France v Ecuador (Rogers Centre)
June 24 - Honduras v Switzerland (Olympic Stadium)

Group F (Argentina, Nigeria, Bosnia, Iran)
June 15 - Argentina v Bosnia (AT&T Stadium)
June 16 - Nigeria v Iran (Reliant Stadium)
June 20 - Argentina v Iran (AT&T Stadium)
June 21 - Nigeria v Bosnia (Reliant Stadium)
June 25 - Argentina v Nigeria (AT&T Stadium)
June 26 - Bosnia v Iran (Reliant Stadium)

Group G (Germany, USA, Portugal, Ghana) (changing Portland to Vancouver)
June 12 - USA v Ghana (CenturyLink Field)
June 13 - Germany v Portugal (BC Place Stadium)
June 17 - USA v Portugal (CentruyLink Field)
June 18 - Germany v Ghana (BC Place Stadium)
June 22 - Germany v USA (CenturyLink Field)
June 23 - Portugal v Ghana (BC Place Stadium)

Group H (Belgium, Algeria, Russia, South Korea)
June 16 - Belgium v Algeria (Soldier Field)
June 17 - Russia v South Korea (Ford Field)
June 21 - Belgium v Russia (Soldier Field)
June 22 - Algeria v South Korea (Ford Field)
June 26 - Belgium v South Korea (Soldier Field)
June 26 - Algeria v Russia (Ford Field)

Knockout Stages:
July 1 - Brazil v Chile (Rose Bowl)
July 2 - Colombia v Uruguay (Rose Bowl)
July 3 - France v Nigeria (Commonwealth Stadium, Edmonton)
July 4 - Germany v Algeria (Commonwealth Stadium, Edmonton)
July 1 - Mexico v Netherlands (Estadio Azteca)
July 2 - Costa Rica v Greece (Estadio Azteca)
July 3 - Argentina v Switzerland (MetLife Stadium)
July 4 - USA v Belgium (MetLife Stadium)
July 6 - Brazil v Colombia (Rose Bowl)
July 7 - France v Germany (Commonwealth Stadium, Edmonton)
July 6 - Netherlands v Costa Rica (Estadio Azteca)
July 7 - Belgium v Argentina (MetLife Stadium)
July 10 - Brazil v Germany (RFK)
July 10 - Netherlands v Argentina (RFK)
July 13 - Brazil v Netherlands (RFK
July 13 - Germany v Argentina (RFK)
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MSantoine
Post #145
Wednesday May 27, 2015 5:03pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from USAGunner

Using what I outlined above using the 2014 games it would have had:

Group A (Mexico, Brazil, Croatia, Cameroon):
June 13 - Brazil v Croatia (Estadio Jalisco)
June 14 - Mexico v Cameroon (Estadio Omnilife)
June 18 - Brazil v Mexico (Estadio Jalisco)
June 19 - Croatia v Cameroon (Estadio Omnilife)
June 23 - Brazil v Cameroon (Estadio Jalisco)
June 24 - Mexico v Croatia (Estadio Omnilife)

Group B (Netherlands, Spain, Chile, Australia)
June 14 - Spain v Netherlands (Miami)
June 15 - Chile v Australia (Citrus Bowl)
June 19 - Australia v Netherlands (Citrus Bowl)
June 20 - Spain v Chile (Miami)
June 24 - Australia v Spain (Miami)
June 25 - Chile v Netherlands (Citrus Bowl)

Group C (Colombia, Greece, Ivory Coast, Japan)
June 15 - Colombia v Greece (Estadio Latinamericano)
June 16 - Ivory Coast v Japan (Independence Park)
June 20 - Colombia v Ivory Coast (Estadio Latinamericano)
June 21 - Greece v Japan (Independence Park)
June 25 - Colombia v Japan (Estadio Latinamericano)
June 26 - Greece v Ivory Coast (Independence Park)

Group D (Costa Rica, Uruguay, Italy, England)
June 14 - Uruguay v Costa Rica (National Stadium)
June 15 - Italy v England (Estadio Cuscatlan)
June 19 - Uruguay v England (Estadio Cuscatlan)
June 20 - Italy v Costa Rica (National Stadium)
June 24 - Costa Rica v England (National Stadium)
June 25 - Uruguay v Italy (Estadio Cuscatlan)

Group E (France, Ecuador, Honduras, Switzerland)
June 13 - France v Honduras (Olympic Stadium)
June 14 - Ecuador v Switzerland (Rogers Centre)
June 18 - Switzerland v France (Rogers Centre)
June 19 - Ecuador v Honduras (Olympic Stadium)
June 23 - France v Ecuador (Rogers Centre)
June 24 - Honduras v Switzerland (Olympic Stadium)

Group F (Argentina, Nigeria, Bosnia, Iran)
June 15 - Argentina v Bosnia (AT&T Stadium)
June 16 - Nigeria v Iran (Reliant Stadium)
June 20 - Argentina v Iran (AT&T Stadium)
June 21 - Nigeria v Bosnia (Reliant Stadium)
June 25 - Argentina v Nigeria (AT&T Stadium)
June 26 - Bosnia v Iran (Reliant Stadium)

Group G (Germany, USA, Portugal, Ghana) (changing Portland to Vancouver)
June 12 - USA v Ghana (CenturyLink Field)
June 13 - Germany v Portugal (BC Place Stadium)
June 17 - USA v Portugal (CentruyLink Field)
June 18 - Germany v Ghana (BC Place Stadium)
June 22 - Germany v USA (CenturyLink Field)
June 23 - Portugal v Ghana (BC Place Stadium)

Group H (Belgium, Algeria, Russia, South Korea)
June 16 - Belgium v Algeria (Soldier Field)
June 17 - Russia v South Korea (Ford Field)
June 21 - Belgium v Russia (Soldier Field)
June 22 - Algeria v South Korea (Ford Field)
June 26 - Belgium v South Korea (Soldier Field)
June 26 - Algeria v Russia (Ford Field)

Knockout Stages:
July 1 - Brazil v Chile (Rose Bowl)
July 2 - Colombia v Uruguay (Rose Bowl)
July 3 - France v Nigeria (Commonwealth Stadium, Edmonton)
July 4 - Germany v Algeria (Commonwealth Stadium, Edmonton)
July 1 - Mexico v Netherlands (Estadio Azteca)
July 2 - Costa Rica v Greece (Estadio Azteca)
July 3 - Argentina v Switzerland (MetLife Stadium)
July 4 - USA v Belgium (MetLife Stadium)
July 6 - Brazil v Colombia (Rose Bowl)
July 7 - France v Germany (Commonwealth Stadium, Edmonton)
July 6 - Netherlands v Costa Rica (Estadio Azteca)
July 7 - Belgium v Argentina (MetLife Stadium)
July 10 - Brazil v Germany (RFK)
July 10 - Netherlands v Argentina (RFK)
July 13 - Brazil v Netherlands (RFK
July 13 - Germany v Argentina (RFK)


You'd have to make a change to add more stadiums or double up the regions. In the group stages teams dont play int he same stadium twice. In fact I think they try to keep them out of a repeat venue until the quarters or semis. You either need to add a third venue to each group, and have each team play in each of the three venues if it works out, or combine two groups amongst the 4 venues. Im behind the general concept though.

db707
Post #146
Wednesday May 27, 2015 5:06pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,128
I sincerely hope we could hold the World Cup final matches in a place better than RFK! They'd hold it at FedEx if they were to hold it in this area.

Regarding today's news, yes, our DOJ's (almost wrote DOH, Freudian slip?) focus is on the Concacaf and Conmebol activity flowing through U.S. banks and companies, the Swiss are looking at other issues including the 2018/22 bidding, to avoid any conflation that may cause confusion. Both are in play. The U.S. charges relate specifically to Concacaf and Conmebol members and activity, as that we can take within our jurisdiction.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #147
Wednesday May 27, 2015 5:15pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
MSantoine. Perhaps.

But I was going with a different setup than what we have now, thus whatever rules (unsaid or not) that go into scheduling now, wouldn't apply.

I think the above set up would be good for travel on fans. Try to keep any regional games all within about 3 hours of each other (some might be a tad more or less). That way Fans can be located in one general area. Makes it a lot more fan friendly. Also reduces the travel on the players/Teams. Which would reduce travel costs.
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skangles
DC
Post #148
Wednesday May 27, 2015 7:37pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,449
Saw on cnn that $100m changed hands over next years copa america. Plus concacaf's HQ is in Miami. That's why you're seeing mostly concacaf and conmebol leaders arrested.

SiteBomb621
Post #149
Wednesday May 27, 2015 8:03pm

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 176
Does anyone here believe that if FIFA is disposed of and a new Governing Body controls World Soccer, would they change the WC to possibly every 2 years? I know the problem of Continental and some Intercontinental would hurt any chances of that, but possibly allowing the U23 and players not on WC rosters take over those duties which would allow player growth and development? I for one would love to see the WC moved to every 2 years. I mean when we talk about future WC's 2018, 2022, 2026 that is just insane. The world's greatest money maker should be at LEAST every 2 years. Just my opinion though.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #150
Wednesday May 27, 2015 8:42pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
I wouldn't have a problem if it was every 2 years. But I like it every 4 years.

Perhaps every 3 years. Same with Continental championships and Qualifying.

So 2015 would be Concacaf Champ
2016 would be WC Qualifying
2017 would be World Cup
2018 Concacaf Champ
2019 WCQ
2020 World Cup.

Never happen though. UEFA, ConMebol would never go for it. their continental championships are huge money-makers too and big deals.

I think World Cup Qualifying should be more streamlined and not so drawn out. We have 3 years until the World Cup and some confederations have already started qualifying and some teams have been eliminated already. Perhaps make it where no confederation can start WCQ until 2 years out.

What I'd like to see from Concacaf and Conmebol. The year after the World Cup they each have their confederation Championship. Then 2 years after that you have the preliminary matches for the WCQ (concacaf), as well as an America's Cup (Conmebol and Concacaf). 1 year out you do the bulk of the WCQ and Christmas break you finish the WCQ.

Every Summer you have something meaningful to look forward too.
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