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Tiger
Post #1
Tuesday February 18, 2014 12:52am

Joined Jul 2013
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The questionable manner by which Quatar was 'awarded' the 2022 World Cup, along with considerable concerns about the weather conditions for the tournament, substantial and serious Quatari labor abuse issues, combined with Quatari political and social mores, each and all add up to pose significant questions as to how soon FIFA engages in a major rethink, if not overhaul and shift of their present plans for the 2022 WC.

Towards further discussion on the topic, am enclosing the following link: http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/16...

Perhaps, however belatedly, FIFA finally does the right thing for the 2022 WC, and awards the tournament to the USA.

tjknowsall
Post #2
Tuesday February 18, 2014 1:41am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 436
Fifa doesn't want the USA to have the 2022 WC Cuz with our potential talent pool we could actually win the whole thing with a little bit of luck if we hosted it

Dam
Chandler, AZ
Post #3
Tuesday February 18, 2014 1:52am

Joined Aug 2013
Total Posts: 40
FIFA isn't going to move the WC in 2022. Even if they were to move the WC the US wouldn't get awarded the cup....It would either go to Australia or somewhere else. With the Canadian's planning to bid on the 2026 WC....likely to win under FIFA's desire to take it to places it's never been before...FIFA is not going to have it back to back in North America.
At this point even if FIFA were to rethink the 2022 I hope that the US tells them to pound sand.

Red
NY
Post #4
Tuesday February 18, 2014 2:29am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 417
FIFA is a governing body(not one living being) but regarding where the WC goes is depended on 24(I think that is the number) of representatives and their vote.

Most were bought off last time, although Sepp did vote for the US bid. The US finished 2nd in the overall voting although we were 3rd after the first round of voting. The US would stand a good chance if there was another vote due to the fact the US would rake the most money for FIFA.

I don't know how the re-vote would happen, if it would include the same nations that bid on 2022, or perhaps include more nations? Idk, but the time zones and lack of infrastructure(to an extent)/ soccer culture hurts Australia's bid.

Remember the Aussies got 1 vote and it came from an Australian. The US finished 2nd with 9 votes(I could be wrong) in the final vote between the US and Qatar. I forgot the Australian on the FIFA board but he was pissed afterward b/c he was promised 3-4 votes which he didn't receive. I know Sunil said he would not comprise another plan until FIFA changes its voting(selection process) but the Australian Football Federation may not look to bid again after how it transgressed last time.

The US very well could host 2022 if they do revoke the WC from Qatar, which is still highly unlikely.

tylercocinas
Post #5
Tuesday February 18, 2014 6:10am

Joined Aug 2012
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My question is, if by some strange occurrence the WC is stripped from Qatar, what incentive do the Qatari's have to keep silent about the possible bribes that took place? The FIFA personnel that accepted the bribes certainly don't stand to gain anything from taking the WC from them, and also run the risk that the Qataris decide to "spill the beans," in retaliatory fashion.

MSantoine
Post #6
Tuesday February 18, 2014 12:54pm

Joined Nov 2012
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There's no way FIFA takes the world cup away from Qatar. Every time you hear negative stories about the host prior to the event. Look at Brazil. All these protests, demonstrations, and several deaths (I recall 3, not sure the exact amount). They will move the world cup to winter, and play it there. No way they take it away. Besides the potential bean spilling as refferenced above imagine a law suit that would come from QFF and the country of Qatar. Look how much money they've spent to date for infrastructure, engineering, design work, consulting work. If you do something unprecedented there is always a law suit. No way FIFA wants to take that on.

Tiger
Post #7
Friday February 21, 2014 12:29am

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Whoever may have paid bribes to FIFA officials in connection with arranging for Quatar to get the 2022 WC can not go to court to enforce illegal arrangements which is what bribery is. They themselves would also be facing criminal and/or civil sanctions for attempted or actual bribery. They cannot expose those whom they bribed, without also exposing themselves to prosecution.

It is doubtful that whatever bribery took place would be even be traceable, much less able to be proven.

Brazil took some real criticism and heat (and not necessarily entirely undeservedly) for the deaths of three construction workers at a WC stadium building site within the past several months.

Quatar, which is years from being anywhere near construction completion dates, already has more than four hundred WC stadium related construction deaths. Those are the ones that are known. Who knows how many have been concealed.

Those are serious labor and human rights issues. Quatar, and FIFA deserve some real scrutiny and heat about what is happening in Quatar. FIFA may well, and deservedly so, take a public relations beating if and when the full story emerges.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #8
Friday February 21, 2014 12:54am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,428
IDK if they'll move it away from Qatar, but the US is ready to go even if they gave them the bid a year before the 2022 WC. Logistics is a big part of this. Transportation, weather, etc. Plus the stadiums are ready to go in all major cities.

MSantoine
Post #9
Friday February 21, 2014 3:17am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from Tiger

Whoever may have paid bribes to FIFA officials in connection with arranging for Quatar to get the 2022 WC can not go to court to enforce illegal arrangements which is what bribery is. They themselves would also be facing criminal and/or civil sanctions for attempted or actual bribery. They cannot expose those whom they bribed, without also exposing themselves to prosecution.

It is doubtful that whatever bribery took place would be even be traceable, much less able to be proven.

Brazil took some real criticism and heat (and not necessarily entirely undeservedly) for the deaths of three construction workers at a WC stadium building site within the past several months.

Quatar, which is years from being anywhere near construction completion dates, already has more than four hundred WC stadium related construction deaths. Those are the ones that are known. Who knows how many have been concealed.

Those are serious labor and human rights issues. Quatar, and FIFA deserve some real scrutiny and heat about what is happening in Quatar. FIFA may well, and deservedly so, take a public relations beating if and when the full story emerges.


Your assuming Qatar officials would follow the same rules as in America. You'd be wrong. Do you think some rich Qatari oil magnates care about being outed for bribing FIFA.?

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #10
Friday February 21, 2014 7:00pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 999
Original post from MSantoine

Your assuming Qatar officials would follow the same rules as in America. You'd be wrong. Do you think some rich Qatari oil magnates care about being outed for bribing FIFA.?


... and have a heart/pulse...

Tiger
Post #11
Friday February 21, 2014 7:27pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 94
@Santoine: You voiced concerns about Quatari officials bringing lawsuits seeking to enforce alleged terms of their bribes. No plausibly credible court anywhere in the world is going to enforce any such terms for the all the reasons I previously outlined above, plus more.

As also previously stated above, it is doubtful that whatever bribery may have taken place would even be traceable, much less able to be proven in a court of law.

Any nobody can make an allegation, the real question is what proof do they have.

MSantoine
Post #12
Friday February 21, 2014 8:11pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from Tiger

@Santoine: You voiced concerns about Quatari officials bringing lawsuits seeking to enforce alleged terms of their bribes. No plausibly credible court anywhere in the world is going to enforce any such terms for the all the reasons I previously outlined above, plus more.

As also previously stated above, it is doubtful that whatever bribery may have taken place would even be traceable, much less able to be proven in a court of law.

Any nobody can make an allegation, the real question is what proof do they have.


There's two sepetate issues that I think your combining that can't. I'm saying that Qatar will have two fronts to destroy FIFA.

1) sue FIFA for wages spent as they were told they were hosting the World Cup. I don't think there are pre written stipulations based on contractor deaths voiding said agreement. Since they can point to other World Cup ventures that also had loss if life, AND never since the works wars has FIFA promised then taken a way a World Cup there is no precedent and my guess is Qatar would win that lawsuit.

2) bring to light all actual bribery events. Not in a legal sense. Just go to all the major papers. It would ruin all the high ups that built up fortunes. They'd most/all be forced to resign. There cushy jobs with high salaries and 1st class flights would be over. If Interpol or another international police group wanted to press chargers they could put again my guess is it'll he worse for guys like platini, blatter, and anyone else who accepted the bribes rather than the Arabic princes and oil magnates who never are held accountable anyways.

Tiger
Post #13
Sunday February 23, 2014 1:06am

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 94
To Santoine:

In its WC contracts with Quatar, Fiifa undoubtedly has various clauses pertaining to Quatari breaches of various terms of the contracts. Such clauses address breaches or failures to meet specified construction performance goals and construction stage completion goals, and grant Fifa specific remedies and sanctions for said breaches.

Undoubtedly there are also clauses addressing serious labor and/or human rights issues and violations, particularly given Quatar's track record and history concerning those issues.

Any construction related death is a tragedy, and ought as well to be a concern for those in charge.

As previously stated, more than four hundred construction related deaths have already been acknowledged this early in the process in Quatar. There is a big difference between three deaths and more than four hundred. That quantity of construction related deaths is nothing to sneeze at on any basis; modern social ethics are not the same as they were when the Egyptian pyramids were built. Such a situation could very well give Quatar and Fifa serious publicity black eyes and substantial public relations issues.

Quatar as a nation may not care about its international image, but Fifa likely has some contractual safeguards built into their agreements concerning such situations. Violations of same could well constitute material breaches of the overall contract, and might provide at least some of the basis for removing the WC from Quatar.

Regarding the potential bribery issues, as also stated earlier, whoever may have been bribed was in all likelihood smart enough to make sure they could not also be blackmailed. Meaning the bribery is probably impossible to trace and prove.

Unsubstantiated allegations of bribery would definitely lead to major and very likely successful defamation lawsuits.

Bottom line is that in terms of the 2022 WC, Quatar may not be sitting as pretty, or securely as one may initially have thought until one does a bit more analysis and checking.

Jzaval01
Post #14
Sunday February 23, 2014 8:39am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
Its just so stupid. EVERYONE knew Qatar was a terrible choice. 1st the conditions. 2nd the "bribery". 3rd all of these deaths. Not to mention other problems that will surely arise.

MSantoine
Post #15
Sunday February 23, 2014 1:12pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Qatar was an awful choice. But there is no chance FIFA pulls it. They decided they wanted a Middle East World Cup. They will do it as much as people complain

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