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db707
Post #466
Wednesday June 24, 2015 12:55pm

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Original post from coverby

So starting Robbie Findley or Ricardo Clark or a still injured Onweyu weren't weird choices?

Those are some rose colored glasses you have for Bradley.


My favorite odd Bradley selection was that of Jay Heaps on the 2009 Gold Cup roster, who was previously uncapped, predictably terrible during the tournament and retired 5 months later. I know we had just had the Confederations Cup and our depth wasn't as strong then, but that to me was inexcusable. Sure JK has some favorites he loves to continue to call for odd reasons and it's fair to question his choices, but Bradley did even more bizarre things at times.

skangles
DC
Post #467
Wednesday June 24, 2015 1:00pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,448
Brad Davis was exploited last summer by the best team in the world. Brad Davis is also a damn good MLS player whose skill set is well suited for taking on scrappy CONCACAF sides at home. I don't expect Davis to get much playing time but I won't be too bothered if he does. We aren't facing Germany, it's the Gold Cup.

skangles
DC
Post #468
Wednesday June 24, 2015 1:02pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Nobody is going to mention Bob's unwavering support of Bornstein?

db707
Post #469
Wednesday June 24, 2015 1:23pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,065
Original post from skangles

Nobody is going to mention Bob's unwavering support of Bornstein?


Criticizing him for Bornstein has been done to death already. I like picking other examples as coverby did. Such as taking Jonathan Spector to the 2010 World Cup when his confidence and form were at an all-time low and he was never going to see the field (and he didn't, even with Onyewu's injury). And yes I grant our depth wasn't as good 5-6 years ago, but still these were puzzling choices.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #470
Wednesday June 24, 2015 1:29pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
I have no doubt that Morris was left on as he is coming off playing a lot of soccer in the first few weeks of June. I'm just going to assume that JK is resting his legs some, not overdoing it for someone who isn't used to that much soccer. Then will bring him in for the knockout rounds (where we will need him more).
Remember Morris is not a professional player, so he's not used to grinding like most of these guys are.
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MSantoine
Post #471
Wednesday June 24, 2015 1:30pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from skangles

Yep, I agree with you. The 2018 chatter can start after next summer's Copa America. Last cycle Herc and Boca were huge for us in the early stage of WCQ. We will never have our WC squad defined three years early, you play who you need to play to get the result at that moment in time.


In theory this would be good. But in reality everytime this comes up we end up doing what we did with Brooks. People were saying we couldnt go to Brooks over Besler/Omar because he was untested. I just dont wat it to be 2017 and say things like we cant go with Morris because he's untested. Now's the time to test him out and integrate him. If its for a 15 minute appearance why not have him. Im not concerned with the choices effecting our performance in this gold cup. To me its more about this setting the table to not choose them when it matters.

MSantoine
Post #472
Wednesday June 24, 2015 1:34pm

Joined Nov 2012
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My preffered lineup given this 23 man group:

Jozy
Zardes-Mixx-Bradley-Bedoya
Morales
Fab-Brooks-Alvardo-Chandler
Guzan

My guess on what JK goes with

Jozy-Dempsey
Mixx-Bradley-Bedoya
Beckerman
Chandler-Brooks-Alvardo-Evans
Guzan

hamsamwich
Post #473
Wednesday June 24, 2015 2:04pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,260
@chris- "poor, hand wringing bastards" hahaha

Wondo has put his head down and worked hard since that miss v Belgium. If you ask me he should've been given more time on the field that day. It was no coincidence all our best chances that day came when we subbed on Wondo and went with 2 up top. His runs open up the field for others (or himself). He is a grinder, always trying to get the next ball, the next play, the next goal. I try and tell you guys this every roster and you just don't get it. Mentally, Wondo brings it the way Jurgen wants all his players to be...

Rather than hoping that Agudelo can be better than Wondo, the real question is why is Wondo better than Agudelo? Because of his work ethic and application. Coaches in team sports recognize that, and that's why Wondo keeps getting called up. His goal scoring doesn't hurt either, especially when compared to the strikers that @mmee wanted to bring in over him.

Know Nothing
Post #474
Wednesday June 24, 2015 3:23pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,768
Original post from db707

Criticizing him for Bornstein has been done to death already. I like picking other examples as coverby did. Such as taking Jonathan Spector to the 2010 World Cup when his confidence and form were at an all-time low and he was never going to see the field (and he didn't, even with Onyewu's injury). And yes I grant our depth wasn't as good 5-6 years ago, but still these were puzzling choices.


As I recall Spector did not play all that bad during our Confederations Cup run, and the fact that he could play anywhere across the line does make him a valuable reserve on a limited roster. I don't fault Bradley for that one.

db707
Post #475
Wednesday June 24, 2015 3:29pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,065
Original post from Know Nothing

As I recall Spector did not play all that bad during our Confederations Cup run, and the fact that he could play anywhere across the line does make him a valuable reserve on a limited roster. I don't fault Bradley for that one.


Yeah, it's debatable, I just recall in 2010 right before the World Cup how much he was struggling and knowing he would never get on the field after the Turkey friendly.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #476
Wednesday June 24, 2015 3:33pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Personally thought Spector was awful. Always questioned and hated when he was called up...
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MSantoine
Post #477
Wednesday June 24, 2015 3:38pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Interesting thing about the roster is its almost entirely MLS/MX based. There are only a few Euro guys (German defenders, Bedoya, Morales, Ream, Aron). Jurgen stated that being in July instead of June takes the Euro guys further from game shape. Maybe hes trying to prevent some burning out guys who have been vacationing for the last month or prevent muscle injuries.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #478
Wednesday June 24, 2015 3:49pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,257
I wouldve loved to see Danny Williams but I'm kind of glad he was sent back to England. He's finally healthy and should be an important part of squad for the WCQs.

Let him have a preseason with Reading.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #479
Wednesday June 24, 2015 4:10pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
I think the health or Jozy will have a lot to do with our lineup. If he is good to go then he will definitely be starting.
Don't see Dempsey sitting on the bench.
Bradley and Beckerman will assuredly start.
Think who is playing on the outside of the midfield is a little up in the air. Personally I see it coming down to Mixx, Bedoya, and Zardes.
Think it's likely that Brooks and Alvarado will be the pairing in the Center of Defense. With Maybe Gonzalez sneaking in there.
Think Chandler will end up at LB and Fabian at RB.
Guzan between the sticks.

Dempsey - Altidore
Bradley
Mixx - Bedoya
Chandler - Brooks - Alvarado - Fabian
Guzan

With Yedlin coming on in the 60' to provide some spark. ArJo also likely coming on too.

If Altidore is not able to go yet then we could perhaps see perhaps a 4-3-3 (or even stick with the 4-4-2 Diamond and just insert ArJo for Altidore).

Dempsey - ArJo - Zardes
Mixx - Beckerman - Bradley
same back 5.

I think my first lineup is the most likely (Don't think he brings Altidore if he isn't ready).
Yedlin will almost assuredly come off the bench to provide spark.
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Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #480
Wednesday June 24, 2015 4:28pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 952
Original post from hamsamwich

@chris- "poor, hand wringing bastards" hahaha

Wondo has put his head down and worked hard since that miss v Belgium. If you ask me he should've been given more time on the field that day. It was no coincidence all our best chances that day came when we subbed on Wondo and went with 2 up top. His runs open up the field for others (or himself). He is a grinder, always trying to get the next ball, the next play, the next goal. I try and tell you guys this every roster and you just don't get it. Mentally, Wondo brings it the way Jurgen wants all his players to be...

Rather than hoping that Agudelo can be better than Wondo, the real question is why is Wondo better than Agudelo? Because of his work ethic and application. Coaches in team sports recognize that, and that's why Wondo keeps getting called up. His goal scoring doesn't hurt either, especially when compared to the strikers that @mmee wanted to bring in over him.


I don't really understand all the hate for Wondo. I thought he played up to par in the WC, except he missed the goal of course. I can't think of a guy on the roster who has not missed a sitter now and then. I can recall several from Bradley. Landon Donovan had a propensity to miss them sometimes as well. Why do they always get passes and Wondo does not. Was it only because it was a big game or because you didn't agree with him on the roster. I feel if Jordan Morris missed a sitter everyone would rise to his defense, why do we throw Wondo under the bus?

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