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TheTruth
Post #46
Monday May 22, 2017 1:09am

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wtf??

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #47
Monday May 22, 2017 1:22am

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Every time I remember him doing something good in the last 1-2 years, it's a pass, or a simple carry, or high-pressure defending, or a goal in a scrum of players.

I don't know if I remember him doing anything forward-like that was successful in a while.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #48
Monday May 22, 2017 3:29am

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We have a lot of those. By those I mean forwards/ attackers who can't score.
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Rey Regicide
Post #49
Monday May 22, 2017 12:25pm

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Original post from mmee

Discussion Bait:
Should Zardes be converted to DM/CM?

I know this looks like a joke question, but for the sake of discussion, I'm being totally serious.


I don't think he's shown any semblance of being good in the tackle, being good in picking out passes. Def not good in close control and having to make quick decisions.

Know Nothing
Post #50
Monday May 22, 2017 6:46pm

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Original post from mmee

Discussion Bait:
Should Zardes be converted to DM/CM?

I know this looks like a joke question, but for the sake of discussion, I'm being totally serious.


Besides having a poor first touch, minimal tactical awareness, and not a great tackler I see no real problem here

Dave
Post #51
Tuesday May 23, 2017 3:22am

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Original post from mmee

Every time I remember him doing something good in the last 1-2 years, it's a pass, or a simple carry, or high-pressure defending, or a goal in a scrum of players.

I don't know if I remember him doing anything forward-like that was successful in a while.


Go back and watch some of the games around the Copa America. His movements opened up space and created some dangerous scoring opportunities. He also was able to use his speed to get in behind the defense on a handful of occasions. I'm not saying he's a starter....but he can be a valuable asset off the bench, and his hustle/high press can lead to opportunities when needing a goal or in closing out a game.

IMO he's best suited for a wide midfield/forward role. He's athletic and can handle physical play (especially useful in CONCACAF play). He's not a perfect player....but in the right situations he can be useful.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #52
Tuesday May 23, 2017 8:06pm

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He's not a perfect player, but he has a fairly elite psychology, it seems to me (re: Argentina game) and he's really likeable just as a dude.
I like him as a guy on my club but I don't see why he's in the USNT 30-40 player pool right now, so I hope he doesn't get the call, even compared to someone like Sapong who has never been in the USNT set-up.

Hence why I was half-jokingly saying "let's make him a DM". He's almost better as the F you put in for the last 8 minutes when you want to close out a lead than he is anything else right now.

Maybe you guys are right and 4-3-3 wing is his thing. I don't think he's a lone forward or CF but given how ragged the LAG looked (and still looks, for the most part), I don't know how much of that is him. Maybe he can play as 1 of 2 forwards.

Rey Regicide
Post #53
Tuesday May 23, 2017 8:19pm

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I won't forget his finish vs the Dutch in the "game".

MSantoine
Post #54
Tuesday May 23, 2017 11:17pm

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If zardes plays again for USA outside of a Jan camp something has gone seriously wrong. He's not a bad player but guys like him shouldn't be taking time. We have better vets (agudelo, bedoya, fab, arriola, green) and tons of potential youngsters.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #55
Wednesday May 24, 2017 7:35pm

Joined Mar 2014
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Not surprised by the timing of this article:
https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/05/24/par...

TheTruth
Post #56
Wednesday May 24, 2017 9:54pm

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Yeah, it's a good article. I find it funny that so many people in these forums think of Zardes as being young. He's a good MLS player. Never good enough to be on USMNT. I was willing to give JK the benefit of the doubt up until probably 18 months ago that, OK, it's worth it to give a slot to this athletic freak Zardes in case he ever learns to touch a ball.

Many of us Galaxy watchers had been saying for a couple of years that maybe Legit was a better guy to give a call up than Zardes. Two years on I'm more certain of this belief (and no, I don't think they're like-for-like at all).

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #57
Thursday May 25, 2017 1:59am

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I'd even say:
psych: A
athleticism: B+/A-
tactics: C+
skills: C-

I'm glad he's on the LAG even if IDK what we're supposed to do with him.
USNT is looking like "never again", but I'd love to be wrong.

Dave
Post #58
Thursday May 25, 2017 4:28am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 847
Original post from mmee

Not surprised by the timing of this article:
https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/05/24/par...


While agree with the article's analysis of Zardes's strengths/weaknesses the tone of the article is a little misleading and fails to mention some of his other contributions to his teams.

Zardes may not be the most technical player able to beat opponents on the dribble or set up his teammates through a pinpoint pass/cross. What he does offer is a physical presence, freakish speed, and a willingness to harass the opposition when they have the ball.

Original post from MSantoine

If zardes plays again for USA outside of a Jan camp something has gone seriously wrong. He's not a bad player but guys like him shouldn't be taking time. We have better vets (agudelo, bedoya, fab, arriola, green) and tons of potential youngsters.


Yes players like Fabian, Green, Gooch, Arriola, Agudelo are better technical players but only Fabian has shown to be consistent at a high level. The rest have shown flashes, but have failed to bring their "A" game consistently. As for Bedoya he's been slipping quickly. Until Green, Gooch, Arriola, etc....can step up an show the consistency needed than a healthy & in form Zardes still has a role to play with the USMNT. I don't think he's a starter when everyone is healthy....but he's a nice option to bring off the bench to go after a tied defense.

TheTruth
Post #59
Thursday May 25, 2017 6:24am

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Psych - What the hell is that? That little freak Adu was always positive. Same w/ Jozy. And Lando was always an oddball. Just cause he's god-fearin and had a kid at 22!?!

Athleticism: B+/A-. He ain't no ocho cinco I'll give you that, but that's some tough grading right there.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #60
Thursday May 25, 2017 11:02am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,146
TheTruth, I get it man. I go for hot takes on here too, sometimes.
But . . . .

1) I am not making up those categories of player assessment (psychological, athletic, tactical and technical). They are used at least by US Soccer, which probably means they are also used by the FA.

2) Adu was a D- or F for psychology if anyone ever was.

3) There is no way that Zardes is athletically an A or A+ compared to other US players. There are people faster than he is, and he can't do much in the air, and he has agility issues or he would have come along better with his first touch. Maybe B+ is too low, but A is too high.

All this said, I'm proud that he's on my club. He's extremely likeable.

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