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2tone
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Post #31
Monday April 21, 2014 4:27am

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I don't see it as a derogatory term at all.

The Aztecs were everywhere in North America. In Mexico, the US south west, the Ohio river Valley, as far North as Canada, and probably as far west as California. The Aztecs mingled with Europeans and Native Americans a like. For all you know you all may have Aztec blood running through your veins.

Aztec is a positive term that invokes pride in one self's ancestry and heritage.

I am part Choctaw a Native tribe residing in the Oklahoma to New Mexico and Missouri river Valley. For all I know the Aztecs mingled with that tribe and I have Aztec blood running through my veins.

I see nothing wrong with naming a team the Aztecs. It's like calling a team the Americans

skangles
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Post #32
Monday April 21, 2014 5:09am

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It is not a question of the term Aztec being derogatory, it's a matter of the changes that have been ongoing in sports at all levels since the mid 90s to deviate from ethnic team names. Marquette University changed their name from the Warriors to the Golden Eagles to avoid offending Native Americans and its difficult to argue that the term "Warrior" is derogatory but it was deemed insensitive and they were under pressure to change it.

If Chivas is rebranded as the Aztecs it would be unprecedented as I cannot think of any other example of a team changing its name from a non-ethnically based team name to an ethnically based team name in the past 20 years. I may be mistaken but this could be a first. We'll see if Garber faces the same type of outcry he faced in Houston should this happen.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #33
Monday April 21, 2014 5:16am

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Well, hopefully they go about it the right way. Take polls, ask around LA if the Name Aztec would offend anyone.

And that is ridiculous that Marquette had to change from the Warriors to the Golden Eagles. Warrior is a term used by every country and ethnicity in the world. It should not be a term strictly synonymous with Native Americans. Hell I am part Native American and find it absolutely ridiculous that their was pressure on them to change their name because it might offend Native Americans.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #34
Monday April 21, 2014 2:03pm

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The name has the potential to be offensive (I would imagine) if the logo and theming around the name weren't handled with taste and sensitivity...other than that, there's no reason to suspect that anyone could be offended.

Take the Redskins for example. The name itself is derogatory, but the logo and branding aren't (or at least in everything I've seen). The Cleveland Indians have an innocent enough name (though an actual tribe indigenous to the region would be better) but their logo is offensive.

In my opinion, the Florida Seminoles have it right. The name is indigenous and the logo isn't offensive (or at least not a public outcry like with the Redskins). It's paying tribute to those who came before, like founding a car company in Michigan and calling it Pontiac, with an arrowhead logo.

It can be done tastefully, and I'm depending on that being the case because the name has to be reserved for Austin's future MLS team =)

kjperuch
Post #35
Monday April 21, 2014 2:42pm

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That would be stupid seeing that San Diego State is the Aztecs.

433
Post #36
Tuesday April 22, 2014 6:08am

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Stupider than the fact that about half of SEC teams are called the Tigers and yet they all seem to draw a crowd? There are many different teams in many different leagues that share similar names. The fact that San Diego St. is also called the Aztecs just shows that it can be done in a respectful manner.

I think LA Aztec has a decent ring to it. But LA United would also be good, pure and simple. Or, since the Galaxy took their name based on the Galácticos of Real Madrid, you could have the new LA team be called Atlético LA, a la Real's upstart city neighbor Atlético Madrid. Chivas' red and white striped kits are even the same color scheme as Los Colchoneros.

skangles
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Post #37
Tuesday April 22, 2014 1:22pm

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The fact that San Diego St. is also called the Aztecs just shows that it can be done in a respectful manner..


San Diego State faced major controversies for over a decade. In the end they let their students and alumni decide what to do and they opted to eliminate their red faced logo but keep the team name and mascot. As the decision was made by San Diego State insiders I'm not sure whether there is any resentment in the community, it seems to have gone quiet now.

kjperuch
Post #38
Tuesday April 22, 2014 3:37pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Original post from 433

Stupider than the fact that about half of SEC teams are called the Tigers and yet they all seem to draw a crowd? There are many different teams in many different leagues that share similar names. The fact that San Diego St. is also called the Aztecs just shows that it can be done in a respectful manner.


All those tiger SEC teams are in different states plus Missouri was just added to the SEC. LSU and Auburn are 6 hours apart. LSU is 11.5 hours from Missouri.

San Diego and LA are like and 1.5 hours apart in bad traffic. Its like saying Jacksonville Jaguars will change their name to the Gators. Why would anyone do that?

The reason why tones of schools and teams are "Cowboys" "Tigers" "Bulldogs" is because they have no imagination. Come on LA be smart for once. Even UC Santa Barbara is the Banana Slugs, now that's cool haha.

tylercocinas
Post #39
Tuesday April 22, 2014 4:20pm

Joined Aug 2012
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Original post from kjperuch

All those tiger SEC teams are in different states plus Missouri was just added to the SEC. LSU and Auburn are 6 hours apart. LSU is 11.5 hours from Missouri.

San Diego and LA are like and 1.5 hours apart in bad traffic. Its like saying Jacksonville Jaguars will change their name to the Gators. Why would anyone do that?

The reason why tones of schools and teams are "Cowboys" "Tigers" "Bulldogs" is because they have no imagination. Come on LA be smart for once. Even UC Santa Barbara is the Banana Slugs, now that's cool haha.


I don't think they can go wrong either way. MLS has trademarked Los Angeles SC and Los Angeles FC, and now you have LA Aztecs name in the mix. They've likely got a few more choices in contention as well. In this day and age I would be very surprised if they didn't allow the fans to give their input with regard to the name in some way shape or form, and if they express overwhelming support for LA Aztecs, then so be it.

kjperuch
Post #40
Tuesday April 22, 2014 4:59pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Original post from tylercocinas

I don't think they can go wrong either way. MLS has trademarked Los Angeles SC and Los Angeles FC, and now you have LA Aztecs name in the mix. They've likely got a few more choices in contention as well. In this day and age I would be very surprised if they didn't allow the fans to give their input with regard to the name in some way shape or form, and if they express overwhelming support for LA Aztecs, then so be it.


You're right about that and ultimately it may be up to the fans. But why not think of something original? There is a reason why the Aztecs got wiped out. Why not the LA Conquistadors?

tylercocinas
Post #41
Tuesday April 22, 2014 6:42pm

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Original post from kjperuch
There is a reason why the Aztecs got wiped out. Why not the LA Conquistadors?


Ehhh well for one, I personally don't believe that would work because conquistadores were responsible for some of the worst atrocities that took place in the "New World" as Europeans wrestled control of the continent away from indigenous groups. To celebrate that legacy would be suicide for MLS and would likely rub many people in North, Central and South America the wrong way for historical as well as political reasons (US involvement in their respective governments, for better or worse, most of the time worse.)

I can't speak for all people and don't attempt to, but like many indigenous groups throughout the Americas, the Aztec name and history is a source of pride for many people that I have spoken to. If done right, I think it could unify the diverse American communities in Los Angeles in a way that Chivas could have only dreamed of doing.

kjperuch
Post #42
Tuesday April 22, 2014 7:22pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 223
Original post from tylercocinas

Ehhh well for one, I personally don't believe that would work because conquistadores were responsible for some of the worst atrocities that took place in the "New World" as Europeans wrestled control of the continent away from indigenous groups. To celebrate that legacy would be suicide for MLS and would likely rub many people in North, Central and South America the wrong way for historical as well as political reasons (US involvement in their respective governments, for better or worse, most of the time worse.)

I can't speak for all people and don't attempt to, but like many indigenous groups throughout the Americas, the Aztec name and history is a source of pride for many people that I have spoken to. If done right, I think it could unify the diverse American communities in Los Angeles in a way that Chivas could have only dreamed of doing.


HAHA yeah because human sacrifices and hunting and destroying local tribes was okay for the Aztecs to do too. lol. Im just messing with you man, my mother-in-law is Guatemalan and has Mayan heritage and hates the Aztecs so It rubs off on me.

433
Post #43
Wednesday April 23, 2014 5:31am

Joined Apr 2014
Total Posts: 29
Actually UCSB is the Gauchos, which is a pretty cool name. UC Santa Cruz is the Banana Slugs.

How about referencing California's history and calling the team LA Missionaries. (Which also works as a double entendre for the San Fernando Valley.)

I'm joking, of course.

tylercocinas
Post #44
Wednesday April 23, 2014 6:04pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
Original post from kjperuch

HAHA yeah because human sacrifices and hunting and destroying local tribes was okay for the Aztecs to do too. lol. Im just messing with you man, my mother-in-law is Guatemalan and has Mayan heritage and hates the Aztecs so It rubs off on me.


Touche, unfortunately the internet just doesn't convey sarcasm too well. Plus given some of the craziness that gets posted on this site one can't ever be too careful ha.

admsghs27
Post #45
Wednesday April 23, 2014 6:44pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
I do not like the Name LA Aztecs. How about a name Like LA Surfers ? or LA Freeways, or similar to NY, LACFC. That would be a good rivalry nycfc vs lacfc.

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