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Post #16
Friday February 21, 2014 12:36am

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Also heard rumors the Kardashians were interested in purchasing the team. Lol i hope not. Even heard the name Donald sterling owner of the clippers. So many potential owners. I think Mark cuban would be awesome.

hamsamwich
Post #17
Friday February 21, 2014 2:51am

Joined Oct 2013
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I would throw San Antonio and St. Louis as two areas where the team could do well if moved by MLS.

skangles
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Post #18
Friday February 21, 2014 3:08am

Joined Jan 2013
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Original post from hamsamwich

I would throw San Antonio and St. Louis as two areas where the team could do well if moved by MLS.


St. Louis, yes please!

Lilshmike
Post #19
Friday February 21, 2014 7:58pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,085
Original post from Red

If the new LA team can get a stadium in downtown LA it would be amazing. They could eclipse the LAG with sheer location, remember the Galaxy play in Carson.

With the right ownership group, with deep pockets, and new downtown location this could be awesome.

LA has some of the higher TV ratings, soccer participation and love for the game. This market NEEDS 2 teams and they can both be highly successful as long as both ownership groups care and splash the cash.

Competition drives everything, makes everything better.


Yea... about that. It sounds alright in theory, but it there is a problem.

LA is big market, yea. If any team were to move downtown, it would be the Galaxy. So, if the Galaxy were to move downtown, the new LA team would stay in Carson and take over the Stub Hub. Since 3/4 of the soccer fans in LA are Galaxy fans, they would all go downtown to games and you would still be left with a new team and a small fanbase.

Now lets say that 2 teams COULD work out in LA. What would happen? The market share/fanbase for both teams would be diluted. The Galaxy would probably maintain a stronger presence, but the new team would not. They would be completely dependent on a small, loyal fanbase. This COULD work, but here is the problem.

It is only a matter of time before LA gets an NFL team. IT WILL HAPPEN. Now what do you think will happen if there are 2 MLS teams in LA, one downtown and one in Carson? Well, the NFL presence would dilute the fanbase and presence of both teams. The stronger team (Galaxy) will survive while the other team gets crushed.

Further, IF A STADIUM WERE TO BE BUILT DOWNTOWN, do you really think that it would not be made for the NFL? You would have the Galaxy move to a new stadium that they have to share with an NFL team. When you watch that on TV it looks awful. The Revolution look like a joke on TV and Seattle looks pretty good until the NFL season starts, then they have to play on a field thats lined for football. Its not good for viewers OR for TV ratings.

Not only that, but because the NFL would be there and take away from the soccer market in the area, one of those 2 MLS teams would more than likely suffer (like Chivas USA has). The team in Carson would be hit the worst, probably would be in the same situation that exists right now, they would probably leave LA, the Stub Hub would be empty, and the Galaxy would have to move back. That is really expensive and not a good business move for anyone. Period.

Lilshmike
Post #20
Friday February 21, 2014 8:12pm

Joined Oct 2012
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But here is an interesting take on things.

Look back at my comments on the first page of this thread. I think that there are only 3 options for Chivas USA. Rebrand, move to another market, or rebrand and move to another market. Of those, the only one that makes sense is the 3rd. So, if that were to be the case:
- the team would probably need to stay in LA for the time being
- change their name to something universal (like FC, United, SC, etc)
- find another market that wants a team and enter into talks with them
- have the city build a stadium and set up the infrastructure for a MLS franchise
- when all of that is done (say 2017), move to another market and change the universal name to fit the new area that they enter

It is a win win. Spread MLS into new markets, everyone gets a good fanbase, and the new market doesnt have to start from scratch building an MLS team.

HOWEVER, here is what is interesting.

Since Chivas USA already has a VERY POOR following, what would happen if they announced that they had plans to leave to another market? Well, their attendance would be even worse and they would probably have less than 1000 fans per game. Nobody would care about a team that is the worst in the league and that wont even be there in another year or two.

So what could you do? Make plans to "rebrand" and "stay in LA" so that way you keep your fans and dont lose attendance (aka, money). Throw off the image that the club wants to stick around and challenge the Galaxy. A new name and brand would probably slightly increase attendance in the short term and get people talking about the club. Then, when the time is right, skip town and form a new presence in another market.

Its not that crazy of a thought. This could actually be what is happening in LA...

MSantoine
Post #21
Friday February 21, 2014 8:18pm

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Garner came out and said he'll only sell to an ownership group in la. Obviously things change but if he does sell to an la owner it's doubtful someone from la would buy the team to move it away from la.

Lilshmike
Post #22
Friday February 21, 2014 8:34pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from MSantoine

Garner came out and said he'll only sell to an ownership group in la. Obviously things change but if he does sell to an la owner it's doubtful someone from la would buy the team to move it away from la.


Agreed. But again, it doesn't make sense to keep the team there. Maybe in time, when soccer gets bigger and is considered a major league sport, 2 teams in LA could thrive together. Even after an NFL were to move there.

But for right now, soccer is not big enough in the states for this to happen. From a business perspective, its not a good decision. Its a really poor decision actually. But hey, who knows.

dunlopp9987
Post #23
Friday February 21, 2014 9:49pm

Joined Mar 2013
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http://m.espn.go.com/soccer/story?storyId=172...

YES. MINNEAPOLIS.
COYB!!
tylercocinas
Post #24
Friday February 21, 2014 10:41pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
Original post from Lilshmike

Yea... about that. It sounds alright in theory, but it there is a problem.

LA is big market, yea. If any team were to move downtown, it would be the Galaxy. So, if the Galaxy were to move downtown, the new LA team would stay in Carson and take over the Stub Hub. Since 3/4 of the soccer fans in LA are Galaxy fans, they would all go downtown to games and you would still be left with a new team and a small fanbase.

Now lets say that 2 teams COULD work out in LA. What would happen? The market share/fanbase for both teams would be diluted. The Galaxy would probably maintain a stronger presence, but the new team would not. They would be completely dependent on a small, loyal fanbase. This COULD work, but here is the problem.

It is only a matter of time before LA gets an NFL team. IT WILL HAPPEN. Now what do you think will happen if there are 2 MLS teams in LA, one downtown and one in Carson? Well, the NFL presence would dilute the fanbase and presence of both teams. The stronger team (Galaxy) will survive while the other team gets crushed.

Further, IF A STADIUM WERE TO BE BUILT DOWNTOWN, do you really think that it would not be made for the NFL? You would have the Galaxy move to a new stadium that they have to share with an NFL team. When you watch that on TV it looks awful. The Revolution look like a joke on TV and Seattle looks pretty good until the NFL season starts, then they have to play on a field thats lined for football. Its not good for viewers OR for TV ratings.

Not only that, but because the NFL would be there and take away from the soccer market in the area, one of those 2 MLS teams would more than likely suffer (like Chivas USA has). The team in Carson would be hit the worst, probably would be in the same situation that exists right now, they would probably leave LA, the Stub Hub would be empty, and the Galaxy would have to move back. That is really expensive and not a good business move for anyone. Period.


Objection: speculation.

skangles
DC
Post #25
Friday February 21, 2014 11:37pm

Joined Jan 2013
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San Diego is on Garber's list of possible expansion cities. Seems like a pretty good solution to keep them in LA for now and then move them to San Diego.

tylercocinas
Post #26
Saturday April 19, 2014 9:43pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
Alicia Rodriguez of SBN's Goat Parade wrote a column based on an article from a Spanish language media source stating that MLS will announce the new owners of ChivasUSA after the World Cup. If I read the original article correctly, apparently the owners have been in place since February, when MLS purchased the team from Vergara.

Another interesting detail was the fact that the ownership group is exploring brining back the "LA Aztecs" name from the old NASL franchise with the idea being to promote a squad with a multicultural ethnic background that will include both Latino & other groups but also one that won't put off the local LA community in the same manner that the "Chivas" brand did.

Here are the two links if y'all want to check out the articles.

http://www.sancadilla.net/2014/04/columna-san...

http://www.thegoatparade.com/2014/4/18/563020...

skangles
DC
Post #27
Saturday April 19, 2014 10:56pm

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Total Posts: 5,412
I don't see how the LA Aztecs name would fly in today's environment. The MLS caved on Houston 1836 name because some people found it offensive, there's no way that naming the team after an ethnic group wouldn't cause public outcry irrespective of the NASL history.

433
Post #28
Sunday April 20, 2014 6:21pm

Joined Apr 2014
Total Posts: 29
Nonsense. The Florida State Seminoles, Illinois Illini, Notre Dame Fighting Irish, etc. all beg to differ. What's offensive is stuff like the NFL team in Washington D.C. who shall (and should) remain nameless. Not to mention the Cleveland Indians logo (and even their name, since the term "Indian" was always incorrect but somehow stuck).

I think LA Aztecs is a decent name, since it references both North American and North American soccer history. Plus, it could possibly be a mark of pride for people with Mexican and/or indigenous heritage. Of course, I don't think any Aztecs ever lived in LA, but then again I never heard of any Red Bulls in NYC (or NJ) either.

Of course, they could always name the team after something the area is known for, like the Seattle Sounders, San Jose Earthquakes, or Portland Timbers. LA Sun, maybe? Or, being more realistic: LA Smog.

What would be even more perfect is if they were bought by a certain Brazilian sports marketing firm that wanted to name the team after their organization. Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the LA Traffic.

skangles
DC
Post #29
Monday April 21, 2014 2:20am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,412
None of the teams that you mentioned recently acquired their names and all face adversity. The MLS announced the Houston 1836 team name and then pulled it less than a month later due to protests. I can't see Garber putting the MLS in that position for a second time on his watch.

tylercocinas
Post #30
Monday April 21, 2014 3:40am

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
As a huge Redskins fan I understand where Skangles is coming from. That being said I think Aztecs is a slightly different proposition. Both Redskins and "1836" have negative connotations for various ethnic groups within the US. I don't claim to speak for everyone but I don't see the negative implications of naming a club the Aztecs. The national stadium of Mexico is called the Azteca after all. The name isn't derogatory, but were some people to come forward in opposition I would certainly respect their feelings enough to recognize that there are other options as far as club names go.

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