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Post #31
Friday February 14, 2014 5:01pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 999
Original post from 2tone

Exciting times regardless if MLS becomes a top 5 league. I would be happy with MLS being a top 8 league in 20 years. I do think MLS can surpass Liga MX, The Brasilian League, Eredivisie, Denmark's top flight in the next 10 to 15 years.

Patience is a virtue. Something US soccer fans lack at times.


lol, I think many of the fans do have patience...

IMO, organic growth has been good for the game thus far.

Best way to attract players would to be:

1. Try to lure Bump up the payroll...
2. Get local media to drum up in each of their markets... NBC Local stations.
3. Not sure what the main draw of ESPN Sports Center is, but, knuckleheads over there should keep yapping positively about soccer.

navi8132
New York
Post #32
Friday February 14, 2014 5:46pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,122
I don't understand where the bigotry comes from for these knuckleheads who keep saying soccer isn't a sport. Probably the same group of people who think being gay should be illegal. They should just move to Russia and let soccer grow here without their bigotry.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #33
Friday February 14, 2014 5:51pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 894
Original post from 2tone

Exciting times regardless if MLS becomes a top 5 league. I would be happy with MLS being a top 8 league in 20 years. I do think MLS can surpass Liga MX, The Brasilian League, Eredivisie, Denmark's top flight in the next 10 to 15 years.

Patience is a virtue. Something US soccer fans lack at times.


I agree. However I don't think MLS will ever surpass France, Spain, Germany, Italy or England. Too good soccer playing countries with established leagues and Champions League teams that have a chance to actually win it. There's nothing wrong with 6th. That would be incredible and some fantastic soccer.
If you don't love it, leave it, USA #1
Red
NY
Post #34
Friday February 14, 2014 6:04pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 417
I just don't understand the lack of foresight here. Snipes87, do you understand that the US brings more marketing power/money/revenue than any of those other leagues(outside of England) The MLB,NHL, NBA, NFL are all bigger revenue getters than EVERY SOCCER league on earth outside of the EPL.

If we ever got to the point of being the 6th best league so much TV money, sponsor money,ect would flow in similar to our other big leagues. MLS has a 100 mil TV deal now(upcoming) with AWFUL ratings. If we ever got to where the French league is the TV deal would likely eclipse 1 billion IMMEIDATELY making MLS the best league on earth(or close to it.) Do you guys not understand how powerful American sports are? Do you not see that if we had ratings similar to the MLB or the NHL it would be over for the UCL or European soccer in general. The amount of money MLS would have would literally be unmatched. MLS would become the UCL.

I'm sorry but Serie A, La Liga, Bundesliga, ect...they CANT compare to our top leagues here in the US. If we ever got that far we would continue on to we are #1

I don't understand why its so hard to comprehend MLS being the best league on earth similar to the EPL.

Red
NY
Post #35
Friday February 14, 2014 6:06pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 417
bottom line: if MLS gets TV ratings to where the MLB(who just got a multi billion dollar deal) or NHL(billion dollar deal in Canada alone) ratings are...its over for Europe. The snowball effect would be catastrophic for them here.

MLS would literally engulf European football.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #36
Friday February 14, 2014 6:12pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,410
Original post from Red

bottom line: if MLS gets TV ratings to where the MLB(who just got a multi billion dollar deal) or NHL(billion dollar deal in Canada alone) ratings are...its over for Europe. The snowball effect would be catastrophic for them here.

MLS would literally engulf European football.


Not happening even if they did get that deal.

Red
NY
Post #37
Friday February 14, 2014 6:15pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 417
I mean we are a country of 315 million people(not counting the illegals) and growing. We can host 32 teams. Look at the NFL averaging 67k a game. That could never happen in Europe. No nation on earth consumes sports like the USA.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #38
Friday February 14, 2014 6:24pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,410
Original post from Red

I mean we are a country of 315 million people(not counting the illegals) and growing. We can host 32 teams. Look at the NFL averaging 67k a game. That could never happen in Europe. No nation on earth consumes sports like the USA.


What's the average in the MLS right now? 19k. Just because MLS gets a TV deal doesn't mean that the interest in the MLS is going to triple. That's not feasible. It most likely won't even get close to the avg attendance of EPL which is 37k. That number will only grow once some of these clubs finish redeveloping their stadiums which quite a few are in the process. Liverpool itself is about to start soon, going from 45k to 55-60k.

Red
NY
Post #39
Friday February 14, 2014 6:34pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 417
I could care less about attendance, I'm talking TV numbers b/c that is where the big money is. The attendance numbers were brought up just to display how massive sport is here in the US.

It all comes down to TV ratings. If MLS in the next 30-40 years can get to where the NHL or MLB is now. That TV deal would be in the billion(s) and would change the landscape of soccer forever.

I do believe we can get there in the next 40 years. I know by the time I'm an old man on my death bed(in 60 years) we can be the best league on earth.

Lets just agree to disagree.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #40
Friday February 14, 2014 8:04pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,410
How massive American football is, sure. Yeah, agree to disagree, as I don't think the MLS will ever be the best league on earth, not even sure the MLS can get into the top 4.

tylercocinas
Post #41
Friday February 14, 2014 9:06pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
Original post from Red

I could care less about attendance, I'm talking TV numbers b/c that is where the big money is. The attendance numbers were brought up just to display how massive sport is here in the US.

It all comes down to TV ratings. If MLS in the next 30-40 years can get to where the NHL or MLB is now. That TV deal would be in the billion(s) and would change the landscape of soccer forever.

I do believe we can get there in the next 40 years. I know by the time I'm an old man on my death bed(in 60 years) we can be the best league on earth.

Lets just agree to disagree.


Because your "ifs" are so dependent on the long term is there really any point in surmising over what could be? You are literally assuming every block will fall as it must in order for everything you've predicted to occur. I believe MLS can eventually raise its level of play to a level that the American public will accept in terms of mere consumption of sports but lets not start with the delusions of grandeur yet.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #42
Friday February 14, 2014 9:20pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 894
Red... soccer players in every country dream of playing in the Champions League. That is not going to change. That's like saying the Super Bowl will no longer be the pinnacle of pro football. Some things are just established and never going away. Unless some how/some way they give MLS a spot or 2 or 3 in the Champs League, MLS simply will never be better than those top leagues. There is nothing wrong with 6th bro. Our national team would be amazing.
If you don't love it, leave it, USA #1
Xtratime3
Rio de Janeiro
Post #43
Friday February 14, 2014 9:23pm

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 11
To be a world champion you do not need to have a top league. Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay ring a bell? Even countries with top leagues like England are soccer nobodies. So the US has to choose one of the two models: raise lots of players and export the creme de la creme, like Argentina and, to a lesser extent, Brazil. Or develop a top league. The latter is the hard way to do it and I agree it will never happen because we are not a soccer nation.
Takes me xtratime to understand you
Red
NY
Post #44
Friday February 14, 2014 9:35pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 417
1988: The US will never qualify for the WC or ever be a soccer nation.
We will never have a league that would be in the top 8 in attendance.
American players aren't good enough to play in the EPL, they can't win player of the year awards with their clubs.
MLS is losing hundreds of millions, it has no chance at survival, don't waste your time with soccer.
2007avid Beckham will never come to MLS at 32, he is at Real Madrid and wanted by every big club(due to his name alone.)
The USMNT will never be better than Mexico, they are a soccer nation, we can not surpass them.
2002: MLS is contracting, it won't last much longer.
the USMNT will never beat Portugal at the WC, nor will they beat Mexico and they can't compete with Germany.
You can't play in MLS and be a NT player, its not good enough...ect...
The US can't beat Spain, they are on a record undefeated streak(Conf. Cup.)
The US won't host a successful WC, no one cares about soccer. Highest attended WC in history, most successful.

No one watches soccer in the US(1.2 mil for Cardiff-Swansea last week.)
No one watches MLS(new 100 million dollar deal)

People keep telling us what we can't do and we do it, that is what has made the US the greatest country in the world.

Hell even the 50% of the settlers said we couldn't beat the British in the American Rev. and we did that as well. People always doubt and disbelieve, but we do it and shut them up.

We've come a long way in 18 years, watch and see where we will be in 40. You just need to look at some empirical data that I wrote above, the future is ours. Its science.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #45
Friday February 14, 2014 9:57pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,410
The only people that say that are Americans that like to hate the game....American football fans, etc. You are stretching here.

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