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USnLFCfan
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Post #16
Saturday February 8, 2014 7:58pm

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Not saying MLS won't grow, just don't think it will get to a top 4 league especially in the next 30 years. Too much stacked against it.

tylercocinas
Post #17
Saturday February 8, 2014 8:11pm

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Original post from USnLFCfan

I can as I am a Sith Lord. JK....though still, the MLS will never be a top 6 UNLESS the MLS, Liga Mx can partner with top SA leagues and copy the Champions League even then it's still HIGHLY unlikely. Top players want to play UCL and that will never change.


The fact that top players want to play Champions League football is accurate. That is literally the highest level. I don't know if MLS can attain that even if they partnered with SA clubs for travel and other such costs, but even if they can't, that doesn't mean they still can't become one of the worlds best leagues.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #18
Saturday February 8, 2014 8:27pm

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Original post from tylercocinas

The fact that top players want to play Champions League football is accurate. That is literally the highest level. I don't know if MLS can attain that even if they partnered with SA clubs for travel and other such costs, but even if they can't, that doesn't mean they still can't become one of the worlds best leagues.


Not getting the top players will keep the MLS from being a top 5 league.

tylercocinas
Post #19
Saturday February 8, 2014 9:15pm

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I'm in agreement that becoming a top 5 league is going to be extremely difficult. The existence of UCL will perpetually maintain the status quo in terms of top leagues worldwide. However, what I was essentially getting at was, there are plenty of talented players not playing in UCL that MLS can and should go after. Players of this caliber for me are still top players and if the league-wide quality of MLS was equivalent to what one might find on some non-UCL clubs, or even the lower-tier UCL squads then I would personally categorize MLS as a top league.

admsghs27
Post #20
Saturday February 8, 2014 9:39pm

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Why not top 5. bundesliga, premier league, la liga, serie a. Then ?? Ligamx, ligue 1, erevidise, Portugal, Argentina, Brazil league, I dont think mls is that far behind them. Im sure 10 yrs down the road mls can surpass those leagues, and be 5th.

hamsamwich
Post #21
Saturday February 8, 2014 9:49pm

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Original post from USnLFCfan

Not getting the top players will keep the MLS from being a top 5 league.
Unless the US government goes all European Union with the income taxes, America will become more and more attractive to good foreign players, as long as salaries rise...

Also the opportunity to walk around less recognized and be bothered less than in Europe is a big deal as well.

If MLS can attract some good talent from South America it wont be far off...

Tiger
Post #22
Thursday February 13, 2014 8:50pm

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MLS becoming a top league in the world is a different proposition from American players becoming regulars in UCL. There is some interrelation between the two, but they are also somewhat separate issues.

Different criteria determine what goes into being a "top league". The quality and achievements of the individual players, the quality and results of the individual teams; both top of the league teams, as well as the overall quality across the entire table, the total revenues generated, revenues per team, etc., etc., etc. There are multiple standards and benchmarks for measuring the so called "best leagues".

If MLS pays the money, some top players, still in their prime could conceivably be drawn to MLS. If US players regularly make the grade in UCL, and then return to MLS because the money is at least as good, or even better than their European wages, they may then opt to return to MLS, all of which potentially will raise the standards and status of MLS as perceived worldwide.

The establishment of a CONMEBOL plus CONCCAF integrated Champions League would also be a good step in the right direction.

Myriad factors combine to make a league amongst the best in the world. Money and status are certainly amongst the top factors. How those are best generated by MLS remains to be determined.

As far as US players claiming their turf in UCL, self belief is undoubtedly a major part of the equation. You have to belief it to achieve it.

Red
NY
Post #23
Thursday February 13, 2014 9:34pm

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NBC's Swansea-Cardiff broadcast racked up 1.2 million viewers, making it the network's most-watched EPL game to date.

If MLS had these types of ratings the league would become a top 5-8 league overnight. If we can ever get MLS to the point where the MLB or the NBA is here(forget the NFL) the cap could go up to around 70 or 80 million. Take that with 24-32 teams all getting paid around 80 million and we can forget about the UCL. MLS Cup would become a UCL of sorts. The hell with South Americans leagues, we don't need them.

Unlike most European countries we are the 3rd biggest nation on earth with 315 million people(and growing.) We have the population and consumption of sports to make MLS the best league on earth and give a high quality of life along with it.

We just need MLS to get to where the MLB or NBA is. That is all...the TV deals, sponsorships, ect will take care of the rest.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #24
Thursday February 13, 2014 10:14pm

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The NBA is unrealistic. Basketball is at alll time high and gaining viewers .MLB can definitely be achieved but it'll be a while.

I'd say 10 to 15 years before it can rival MLB. More and more younger viewers are tuning away from baseball and moving towards basketball and soccer.

BUT MLB still got great viewership for the WS(Go Sox). The 2013 MLS Cup got 500K for an albeit boring game. It's rising but it'll take time.

Red
NY
Post #25
Thursday February 13, 2014 10:23pm

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I'm just making saying that the only think holding MLS back is Americans that would rather watch the EPL or LigaMX. That's all. Its not a question if Americans would watch soccer anymore, we consume as much soccer as anyone else on earth.

Its frustrating b/c we are not France or England, we are the US. We truly have unlimited capabilities in anything and can make our league the best on earth if we wanted to. It takes one eurosnob conversion at a time. I do believe that the Next cap/tv deal(the one in 2021)could be the turning point especially if the US or Canada host the 2026 WC. That could be the tipping point in terms of TV money coming into the league. I also expect by that time for the US to be considerably better than we are now.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #26
Thursday February 13, 2014 10:55pm

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Original post from Red

I'm just making saying that the only think holding MLS back is Americans that would rather watch the EPL or LigaMX. That's all. Its not a question if Americans would watch soccer anymore, we consume as much soccer as anyone else on earth.

Its frustrating b/c we are not France or England, we are the US. We truly have unlimited capabilities in anything and can make our league the best on earth if we wanted to. It takes one eurosnob conversion at a time. I do believe that the Next cap/tv deal(the one in 2021)could be the turning point especially if the US or Canada host the 2026 WC. That could be the tipping point in terms of TV money coming into the league. I also expect by that time for the US to be considerably better than we are now.


Yeah the Liga MX numbers compared to MLS was a little disheartening.

MSantoine
Post #27
Friday February 14, 2014 3:52am

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Original post from Red

I'm just making saying that the only think holding MLS back is Americans that would rather watch the EPL or LigaMX. That's all. Its not a question if Americans would watch soccer anymore, we consume as much soccer as anyone else on earth.

Its frustrating b/c we are not France or England, we are the US. We truly have unlimited capabilities in anything and can make our league the best on earth if we wanted to. It takes one eurosnob conversion at a time. I do believe that the Next cap/tv deal(the one in 2021)could be the turning point especially if the US or Canada host the 2026 WC. That could be the tipping point in terms of TV money coming into the league. I also expect by that time for the US to be considerably better than we are now.


People watch EPL over MLS because most americans are spoiled by sports and only want to watch the best of the best. In soccer thats EPL. There's an easy way to see which league is the best. $$$. The league with the most money gets the best players. MLS is in a circle that it needs to spark to become a top league. They need the best players in the world to come here. Then they'll get the tv ratings. To get the best players they need to shell out the most money. They need tv ratings to get there. There best hope is the La Liga keeps decending (its starting to stabilize) as most of the top South Americans go to Spain/Portugal. If we can get them to our league that would be huge.Serie A is also stagnant as a league and may not be able to grow much. EPL & Bundesliga are really the only two that keep importing talent. Realistically we should be able to become the third best league in the world in 30 years or so.

MSantoine
Post #28
Friday February 14, 2014 3:55am

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Getting back on track about the actual posters questions (since there are a multitude of MLS philosophical boards already) I really hate the way JK said this. Its very clearly a shot at Bradley and Dempsey. He's still pissed they came back to MLS instead of fighting to get a starting spot at there teams or moving to another UCL team. I think he needs to be careful as he is starting to show clear different rules and requirements for different players. Guys like Beckerman, Evans, Beasley, Besler, Omar seem to get free passes while Clint, Chandler, MB, Cam, Sacha, are constantly being put down or jerked around.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #29
Friday February 14, 2014 4:09pm

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Original post from MSantoine

Getting back on track about the actual posters questions (since there are a multitude of MLS philosophical boards already) I really hate the way JK said this. Its very clearly a shot at Bradley and Dempsey. He's still pissed they came back to MLS instead of fighting to get a starting spot at there teams or moving to another UCL team. I think he needs to be careful as he is starting to show clear different rules and requirements for different players. Guys like Beckerman, Evans, Beasley, Besler, Omar seem to get free passes while Clint, Chandler, MB, Cam, Sacha, are constantly being put down or jerked around.


Maybe because he knows that the aforementioned guys can't cut it at the highest level, and he expects more from the latter.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #30
Friday February 14, 2014 4:39pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Exciting times regardless if MLS becomes a top 5 league. I would be happy with MLS being a top 8 league in 20 years. I do think MLS can surpass Liga MX, The Brasilian League, Eredivisie, Denmark's top flight in the next 10 to 15 years.

Patience is a virtue. Something US soccer fans lack at times.

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