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Techskillz416
Post #16
Tuesday November 5, 2013 10:15pm

Joined Aug 2013
Total Posts: 114
Original post from recycledhumans

@Techskillz, I think it's because he is the most likely partner for MB in the next cycle, since Jones will be too old for the 2018 WC Klinsy will want to start blooding in the new guys. He may delay until after the next Gold Cup but Jones will not be featuring for the USMNT past that point.


I see what you are saying, I just think he's done with a national team kit. there is rumor that Switzerland wants JK right now for their WC run. They say it is odd that JK has not renewed his contract and his agent Swiss. Hopefully we hear more from this soon.

http://soccer.si.com/2013/11/05/report-switze...

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #17
Tuesday November 5, 2013 10:48pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,467
We've seen before that after a lengthy injury spell he could fold back into the national team with minimal effort, and he'll still have more experience than most of the other candidates. If he can stay fit and healthy I think we'll be seeing a lot more of him in the next few years.

If any of our outlying CM candidates want to solidify their place in the 2018 WC, they'd be wise to increase their defensive chops, because when Jones is gone we don't even have a makeshift CDM (except maybe Cameron, but we need him on the backline) worthy of starting.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #18
Tuesday November 5, 2013 11:15pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,450
To be honest I think Bradley transitions to more of a DM during the 2018 cycle. With all of the attacking CM options i.e. Diskerud, Rowe, Powers, Gil, Lletget the US will have during the next cycle it seems logical to shift him to more of as a Dm.

But I do like the looks of Will Trapp, Stanko, Caldwell, and Kitchen as DM's as well.

Riggity
Atlanta
Post #19
Tuesday November 5, 2013 11:20pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 66
Sorry to be off topic, but wtf is Jelly splash? And NO I don't want to download it!! I never thought about MB moving deeper after this cycle but it makes a lot of sense.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #20
Tuesday November 5, 2013 11:32pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,450
This is all for fun but a 2018 starting 11 could possibly look like this:

------------Altidore---------
Zardes------Aj-------------Nagbe
--------Mix------Bradley-----
Fabian-----Brooks------Gonzo-----Chandler
--------------Guzan-------------
Subs: Hamid, Sean John, Besler, O'Neill, Yedlin, Klute, Rowe, Kitchen, Agudelo, Boyd, Arriola, Holmes

4bc
North Carolina
Post #21
Wednesday November 6, 2013 12:43am

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 23
Fabian Johnson is barely passable at LB. I would hope by 2018 we'd have a real LB that actually plays that position (and is a lefty that doesn't have to take embarrassing extra steps on wing runs to knock in effective balls). He's a very good midfielder. Let's hope that's where he lands.

I'd also like to see Gil, Villarreal, and Cuevas continue to develop for 2018.

MSantoine
Post #22
Wednesday November 6, 2013 12:59am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from 2tone

To be honest I think Bradley transitions to more of a DM during the 2018 cycle. With all of the attacking CM options i.e. Diskerud, Rowe, Powers, Gil, Lletget the US will have during the next cycle it seems logical to shift him to more of as a Dm.

But I do like the looks of Will Trapp, Stanko, Caldwell, and Kitchen as DM's as well.


I think that's going to be the big question next cycle. Since mb can play either role all the cams are and dmids are battling each other. That's a lot if competition and we will have some talented mids either played out of position out wide (if arriola, and others don't develop) or some talented reserves

Riggity
Atlanta
Post #23
Wednesday November 6, 2013 2:33am

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 66
Whoa whoa, NO ADU FOR THE 2018 lineup?!?!? Omfg

navi8132
New York
Post #24
Wednesday November 6, 2013 2:37am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,122
Adu is goalie.

Riggity
Atlanta
Post #25
Wednesday November 6, 2013 2:57am

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 66
...I saw him as our answer at left back and move Fabian up to mid.

skangles
DC
Post #26
Wednesday November 6, 2013 3:01am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,443
Original post from Riggity

Sorry to be off topic, but wtf is Jelly splash? And NO I don't want to download it!!.


Yes!! This site is becoming unbearable to visit on an iphone between jelly splash and knights four kingdoms. Whats up with this?

hamsamwich
Post #27
Wednesday November 6, 2013 2:34pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
Original post from Techskillz416

Why does Stu get a pass is my question. Stu is a great talent and I feel so sorry for his misfortune. But there are to many opinions on here about a players form, club play etc yet it appears Stu always gets a pass every time. If anything I hope the guy can stay healthy enough to just play soccer. For the USMNT IMO I think he's had his chances and thats that. We talk about players and their time from the game, a players age, and struggles to form. He will have to deal with ALL of these factors. He's not a keeper, and he's not a defensive back...time is not on his side for a number of reasons.


The movement of Holden and his skill on the ball, tackling, vision, etc his skill set. also, JK looks at his other options besides Jones and Bradley and sees:

Beckerman?
Cameron- thank god he's been crossed off the list, scared to make plays
Diskerud? no
Danny Williams has disappeared, Edu is just as injured, and SK....

To play with the dynamic movement Klinsmann wants, Holden would be the man to play with Bradley, interchanging in the style we wish we saw from Jones more often but unfortunately dont.

Seeing him go down again vs Panama in Chicago from my seat was a shame as the injury left him 10 months to go before the WC, 6 months of rehab and training, will he get 3 months of game time and is that enough? The problem is Bolton are having a tough early season so hopefully they pick it up and can introduce Holden into the squad without worrying about relegation or anything, because only a lot of games (and the Championship offers this) will give Klinsmann an actual look at Holden's form and atletic ability March-May. If Bolton were to make the playoffs (a long shot at this point) that would be an extra 2-3 games at the end of the season.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #28
Wednesday November 6, 2013 2:44pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,467
Original post from 2tone

To be honest I think Bradley transitions to more of a DM during the 2018 cycle. With all of the attacking CM options i.e. Diskerud, Rowe, Powers, Gil, Lletget the US will have during the next cycle it seems logical to shift him to more of as a Dm.

But I do like the looks of Will Trapp, Stanko, Caldwell, and Kitchen as DM's as well.


True, I hadn't thought about Kitchen...I've liked what I've seen so far, though he still has a little ways to go. MB likes to get forward though and we know he can improve an attack and is a decent finisher, I think we'd be losing more than we'd be gaining by moving him back instead of grooming a few long term prospects.

hamsamwich
Post #29
Wednesday November 6, 2013 2:52pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
Original post from recycledhumans
MB likes to get forward though and we know he can improve an attack and is a decent finisher, I think we'd be losing more than we'd be gaining by moving him back instead of grooming a few long term prospects.

Sometimes I think this, but if getting the best 11 on the pitch means moving Bradley farther back, then that's what we should do. He plays in Italy he can learn that role to perfection, and give us even better attacking ability with more control of the game, with faster, more athletic players in front of him. Its why Klinsmann considers playing Fabian Johnson in different spots, to get the very best 11 players on the pitch. It's up to Bradley to accept it

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #30
Wednesday November 6, 2013 4:47pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,450
Original post from recycledhumans

True, I hadn't thought about Kitchen...I've liked what I've seen so far, though he still has a little ways to go. MB likes to get forward though and we know he can improve an attack and is a decent finisher, I think we'd be losing more than we'd be gaining by moving him back instead of grooming a few long term prospects.


He can still get forward as a DM. He just has to pick his spots better. The players I named i.e. Rowe, Gil, Lletget etc... are better attacking CM's then Bradley is. Bradley will be 32 in 2018. Which means he will be less prone to making barnstorming runs. I see him transitioning to more of a Pirlo role for the USMNT in the 2018 cycle.

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