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richieJkulesaNY
Post #16
Wednesday January 29, 2014 8:19pm

Joined Jun 2012
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Holden is very easy to root for, but you guys are looking too far into this "guest" appearance at training camp. Have fun putting percentages on his Brazil chances, but its pointless right now.

Captain4Life
Post #17
Wednesday January 29, 2014 10:40pm

Joined Jan 2014
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Holden is a way better player than Sacha.

camparkinson
Post #18
Wednesday January 29, 2014 10:52pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 169
Rain I knew you'd have something to say but your love for Sacha is just silly. I'm sure he's a nice guy and he has a great porn stache but he's not good enough. He's had his chances with the Nats and not done enough plan and simple.

Holden had one great year for Bolton, was leading the league in tackles and was the topic of transfer rumors to better teams and of course got injured.

The only argument one could make that Sacha is better is that he has been more healthy. A healthy lesser player is better than a better player who can't get on the field.

Mojofc
Post #19
Wednesday January 29, 2014 11:12pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 687
Evidence that Holden was (pre-injury) and would have been (without injuries) better than Kljestan:

The ability to analyze a player by watching them play. Nothing else is needed, no stats, nothing. Just simple ability to analyze the sport.
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Captain4Life
Post #20
Wednesday January 29, 2014 11:17pm

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 14
Original post from Mojofc

Evidence that Holden was (pre-injury) and would have been (without injuries) better than Kljestan:

The ability to analyze a player by watching them play. Nothing else is needed, no stats, nothing. Just simple ability to analyze the sport.


couldn't agree more.

rainORshine
Post #21
Thursday January 30, 2014 2:05am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,787
Original post from Mojofc

Evidence that Holden was (pre-injury) and would have been (without injuries) better than Kljestan:

The ability to analyze a player by watching them play. Nothing else is needed, no stats, nothing. Just simple ability to analyze the sport.


nice input dolcem. helpful

Mojofc
Post #22
Thursday January 30, 2014 2:34am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 687
Original post from rainORshine

nice input dolcem. helpful


Thanks Sacha.
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hamsamwich
Post #23
Thursday January 30, 2014 4:23am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 666
If they were all healthy and in form, I believe Jurgen rates the CMs as such:

1. Holden
2. Bradley
3. Jones
4. Williams
5. Mixx

skangles
DC
Post #24
Thursday January 30, 2014 4:25am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 2,088
No way holden is higher than Bradley (if healthy). Bradley is our best player and in another category all together. If Holden had avoided injuries throughout his career the who knows but if he had stayed healthy from the Gold Cup until now there is no chance he would be ahead of Bradley.

hamsamwich
Post #25
Thursday January 30, 2014 9:26am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 666
For sure I think Bradley is better, but I'm saying those are Jurgen's ratings. There's a reason why he's giving Holden every chance to make the roster, because he rates him. Same thing with Diskerud, despite other players' abilities and performances, he rates Mixx (5th behind the other players mentioned the way I see it). It took JK a long time to even play Bradley on the USMNT dont forget, although that was a lot of politics more than anything. I sense tension behind the scenes ever since JK replaced his dad, and it wouldn't surprise me if JK was further pissed at Bradley over the Toronto move.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #26
Thursday January 30, 2014 1:27pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 963
Original post from hamsamwich

For sure I think Bradley is better, but I'm saying those are Jurgen's ratings. There's a reason why he's giving Holden every chance to make the roster, because he rates him. Same thing with Diskerud, despite other players' abilities and performances, he rates Mixx (5th behind the other players mentioned the way I see it). It took JK a long time to even play Bradley on the USMNT dont forget, although that was a lot of politics more than anything. I sense tension behind the scenes ever since JK replaced his dad, and it wouldn't surprise me if JK was further pissed at Bradley over the Toronto move.


Bradley wasnt brought in when Klinsmann first started because he didnt have a club. As soon as Bradley figured that out, he's been the first choice CM. There were no politics involved.

Klinsmann has not once considered Holden his first choice CM. He's in camp as a guest. He's in rehab still, and doing his own workouts on the side, away from the team. Klinsmann put his motivator hat on when he invited Holden. His personailty is infectuous and his work ethic is to be envied. Cant we just leave it at that?

Bshredder
Post #27
Thursday January 30, 2014 2:00pm

Joined Aug 2011
Total Posts: 1,459
It's been 3 years since Holden has been at full strength. Most of his prime years have been spent physical therapy.

There is no point trying to rate Holden but disclaiming it "when healthy" as if it is a typical injury. He has to start off at square one once he's able to play.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #28
Thursday January 30, 2014 4:55pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 292
Original post from hamsamwich

If they were all healthy and in form, I believe Jurgen rates the CMs as such:

1. Holden
2. Bradley
3. Jones
4. Williams
5. Mixx


I agree 100% with this. Holden was well on his way to being better than Bradley. Which isn't a bad thing. A pre injury Holden and MB in the mid field would be amazing. Unfortunately, now we have Jones haha
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MSantoine
Post #29
Wednesday February 12, 2014 6:14pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,231
Holden signed an extension with Bolton. Its great that they show the loyalty and still see his potential. It was a one year extension so a definite prove it contract. This can end any talk of him coming to the MLS soon. Hopefully he gets healthy this summer and can come out of the gate strong with Bolton this fall. Good Luck Stu

Bshredder
Post #30
Wednesday February 12, 2014 6:37pm

Joined Aug 2011
Total Posts: 1,459
My gut is that this is Stu rewarding Bolton more than the other way around

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