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Captain4Life
Post #1
Wednesday January 29, 2014 10:07am

Joined Jan 2014
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I guess Stuey is back training with the nats. I think this is a mistake. The dude needs to take some serious time off and let the body heal. Otherwise he's gonna go the way of Brian Maissoneuve.

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Mojofc
Post #2
Wednesday January 29, 2014 2:27pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 966
Training with them is not playing with them. Nothing wrong with this at all.
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Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #3
Wednesday January 29, 2014 2:30pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,408
It does say a lot about what is in Klinnsmans head to me. Maybe he really wants Holden in Brazil, or maybe he is just doing a solid for the guy that everyone loves. I'm fine with either.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #4
Wednesday January 29, 2014 3:02pm

Joined Nov 2012
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I expect he sees Stu as the likely successor to Jones for after the WC, which will be nice but I'm not so sure...we've got so many young guys coming up that could (IMO) be ready for the big stage in 2018, and that's assuming that MB90 has a safe starting spot.

As long as he's taking the rest of the season off without training too hard, it's a good move for him. He shouldn't let his body heal under completely resting conditions or the chance of getting injured again once he does really start exerting himself will be increased.

tjknowsall
Post #5
Wednesday January 29, 2014 3:36pm

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He has a chance because if he comes back "in form" he is better than beckerman, Williams , diskerud, and dare I say it kljesten.... would he be a starter... no. But could he be a sub for a tired Jones or mid to keep from accumulating yellows??? Yes. This is assuming holden comes back and plays well. It would be the best story of the world cup if he even stepped on the field. Now before Rain or someone loses their heads I'm just saying holden at his best is better than kljesten now only I think IF he comes back and plays like he can he is a better player. Now like u guys idk if he even has knees at this point but I give him a 10% chance to go to Brazil....

rainORshine
Post #6
Wednesday January 29, 2014 4:11pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
Original post from tjknowsall

He has a chance because if he comes back "in form" he is better than beckerman, Williams , diskerud, and dare I say it kljesten.... would he be a starter... no. But could he be a sub for a tired Jones or mid to keep from accumulating yellows??? Yes. This is assuming holden comes back and plays well. It would be the best story of the world cup if he even stepped on the field. Now before Rain or someone loses their heads I'm just saying holden at his best is better than kljesten now only I think IF he comes back and plays like he can he is a better player. Now like u guys idk if he even has knees at this point but I give him a 10% chance to go to Brazil....


i wont lose my head... i just feel kljestan fall 2013 is roughly equivalent to holden spring 2011 - before he got hurt

id say holden is/was always slightly (to a lot) over-rated while kljestan is/was always slightly (to a lot) under-rated

but its a debate without any proper means of resolution...

Dimo
Post #7
Wednesday January 29, 2014 4:16pm

Joined Nov 2013
Total Posts: 277
Original post from rainORshine

i wont lose my head... i just feel kljestan fall 2013 is roughly equivalent to holden spring 2011 - before he got hurt

id say holden is/was always slightly (to a lot) over-rated while kljestan is/was always slightly (to a lot) under-rated

but its a debate without any proper means of resolution...


I'll be honest and say that I have never seen Kljestan play for Anderlecht. All I have seen are his performances with the USMNT and I have been slightly underwhelmed. Is he really as good as Holden was in 2011? English announcers were calling him one of the best, and most underrated midfielders in the EPL. If Kljestan is that good, he should be playing for us.

kernn63
Post #8
Wednesday January 29, 2014 4:46pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 298
Grant Wahl reported that Holden targeting April for a return to matches for Bolton. I would have thought that a couple of good months would probably be too little too late for him to make a plane, but it's clear how much respect Klinnsmann has for him....hard to not take seriously the possibility that he's on the plane to Brazil.

I'd go higher than 10%....not too much higher.....33.3?

admsghs27
Post #9
Wednesday January 29, 2014 4:53pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
In all honesty Holden never really impressed with the mnt. Except for a few games vs mediocre teams. I would say adu put in better performances.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #10
Wednesday January 29, 2014 6:23pm

Joined Jul 2013
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If Kljestan was THAT good then he would be playing. It's really that simple. But as for Stu, love that guy but there's no way he goes to Brazil. I don't see Jurgen taking a guy who has missed that much time. The reality is he won't have that much of an impact against the world's best due to the injuries.
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camparkinson
Post #11
Wednesday January 29, 2014 6:43pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 341
Kljestan isn't even a lock to start with his club at the moment... He's never impressed with the Nats and has consistently shown the inability to cover enough ground against higher level competition.

Holden was one of the best CM's in the Premier League before his injuries, I'm not sure how anyone can legitimately make a case that they are similar players who if both were healthy would be fighting neck and neck for the same spot. Holden healthy is better offensively but even more so defensively.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #12
Wednesday January 29, 2014 7:29pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,605
Holden! Holden! Holden!. Seriously though I would put his chances of being on the plane to Brasil around 42% right now.

rainORshine
Post #13
Wednesday January 29, 2014 7:32pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
Original post from snipes87

If Kljestan was THAT good then he would be playing. It's really that simple. But as for Stu, love that guy but there's no way he goes to Brazil. I don't see Jurgen taking a guy who has missed that much time. The reality is he won't have that much of an impact against the world's best due to the injuries.


its not that simple

remember that pre-injury holden was also pre-jones and pre-JK

rainORshine
Post #14
Wednesday January 29, 2014 7:45pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
Original post from camparkinson

Kljestan isn't even a lock to start with his club at the moment... He's never impressed with the Nats and has consistently shown the inability to cover enough ground against higher level competition.

Holden was one of the best CM's in the Premier League before his injuries, I'm not sure how anyone can legitimately make a case that they are similar players who if both were healthy would be fighting neck and neck for the same spot. Holden healthy is better offensively but even more so defensively.


this is a blatant exaggeration with no grounding in fact. all we really know is that he was one of the better players for EPL bolton for one season.

for some objective balance:

offensive club production (MLS + europe for both) through 10/11 season

sacha - 19 goals / 36 assists
stu - 18 goals / 16 assists

1st 2 seasons in europe

SK - 8/6
SH - 2/2

both began in MLS in 06. kljestan headed to europe 1 season after holden.
holden is older than kljestan

holden MAY have turned out to really great USMNT. or maybe not... we will never know

there is simply no definitive argument that holden was/is better than sacha

Scout92
Lone Star State(Gun State)
Post #15
Wednesday January 29, 2014 8:01pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,517
Good news to me, getting back to it; not giving up. Have always thought a healthy Stu and Bradley would be a perfect CM pairing. Who knows we could still see it..

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