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nolefansandy
Post #46
Saturday May 3, 2014 8:24pm

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Agudelo started and scored the winner today for Utrecht

tylercocinas
Post #47
Friday May 9, 2014 9:24pm

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BShredd just tweeted that word out of England is Agudelo's work permit request was denied again. It'll be interesting to see where he lands to start next season.

admsghs27
Post #48
Friday May 9, 2014 9:27pm

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Original post from tylercocinas

BShredd just tweeted that word out of England is Agudelo's work permit request was denied again. It'll be interesting to see where he lands to start next season.


Wonder why it keeps getting Denied. No other American has had problems going to play in England. Is it because he was born in Colombia ? not considered full American, not sure what the deal is.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #49
Friday May 9, 2014 9:36pm

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I would hazard to guess that many clubs in Europe will be looking at him, especially now that it looks likely he will be a free transfer. That pre-contract means absolutely nothing really.

Utrecht is in play. But if he does make the WC 23, and shows well this summer, he is going to make a European team very happy. They don't have to spend a transfer fee to get him.

I would probably put Utrecht as the front runners right now. Agudelo and Rubio Rubin in attack for Utrecht next season could be really fun to watch for American fans and fro Utrecht fans.

stone88
Post #50
Friday May 9, 2014 11:09pm

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2tone, I imagine it might take Rubin a little longer than that to get fully integrated into the first team. He is good, but I really doubt his first season as a real professional he'll be seeing much playing time in the eredivise.

Juan on the other hand could definately have a breakout year in holland, provided that the English FA just made it near impossible for him to get a WP and provided Utrecht still want him around.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #51
Friday May 9, 2014 11:17pm

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Original post from stone88

2tone, I imagine it might take Rubin a little longer than that to get fully integrated into the first team. He is good, but I really doubt his first season as a real professional he'll be seeing much playing time in the eredivise.

Juan on the other hand could definately have a breakout year in holland, provided that the English FA just made it near impossible for him to get a WP and provided Utrecht still want him around.


Rubin has already trained a number of times with Utrecht's first team. I won't be shocked if he is in their first team next season and getting plenty of minutes. Eredivisie clubs are known to play youth, and Utrecht is very high on him. As they should be.

stone88
Post #52
Friday May 9, 2014 11:29pm

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I thought those were just rumors about him with the first team. I know it was confirmed that he was with the second team. Either way I would still be shocked if he was to getting significant time.

MSantoine
Post #53
Saturday May 10, 2014 12:17pm

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Original post from 2tone

Rubin has already trained a number of times with Utrecht's first team. I won't be shocked if he is in their first team next season and getting plenty of minutes. Eredivisie clubs are known to play youth, and Utrecht is very high on him. As they should be.


Exactly. Eredivise is all about playing youths and selling them for profit. Rubin should get plenty of opportunities.

Chrisou101
Post #54
Saturday May 10, 2014 6:29pm

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That's what I like about the eredivise teams, they take development of players over results well except for teams like Ajax and PSV. But still I like how they focus on playing youth instead of trying to win every game. Sure winning is great, but development of players comes first.

stone88
Post #55
Saturday May 10, 2014 8:33pm

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Oh they take winning very seriously! No money to be made if you get relegated and serious money to be had if you qualify and do well in tourneys and the league, not to mention the pride of the club. But I agree, the dutch tend to strike a good balance between player development and competition.

On a side note: The English should take note of this. Instead of trying to kick or keep out a bunch of non-euros from the EPL they need to focus on english player development with teams, coaches, and owners willing to give young players lots of opportunities and direction to grow.

dolcem
Post #56
Saturday May 10, 2014 9:08pm

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Original post from Chrisou101

That's what I like about the eredivise teams, they take development of players over results well except for teams like Ajax and PSV. But still I like how they focus on playing youth instead of trying to win every game. Sure winning is great, but development of players comes first.


Until MLS teams start taking player development seriously, we'll never have a really good league or national team. We do have a budding academy system, but the next step in a player's development is to play in the MLS (if he doesn't get picked up by a European team first). And it seems like their development stalls upon getting there...how many prospects get hyped up compared to how many actually make it out of the MLS into a top European league? MLS teams play for results only, style doesn't matter at all to them. This is because there is not enough financial incentive to develop players. Once a player improves, he wants more money, and his team might not be able to afford him because of the cap, and then he goes somewhere else (free agency) without his team having made a penny off of him. And if a European team buys him, the MLS pockets a lot of that money. There needs to be more incentive for MLS teams to use their academy players (ie change the rules so that their salaries don't count against the cap) and to develop them (let the owners keep all of the transfer money, and there needs to be other incentives as well...draft picks for teams that successfully sell players, or something like that).

Not until teams actually have a reason to play for more than the result will we have a league that consistently produces good players the way the Eredevisie does (especially considering the size of Holland's population). Until then, the MLS and USNT will not be able to rise to the next level.
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tylercocinas
Post #57
Saturday May 10, 2014 9:56pm

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Dolcem as far as I know, MLS permits 2 HG players signed in a season to not count against the salary cap. Additionally iirc, clubs keep 3/4 of the HG transfer fee as opposed to the normal 2/3.

dolcem
Post #58
Saturday May 10, 2014 10:59pm

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Original post from tylercocinas

Dolcem as far as I know, MLS permits 2 HG players signed in a season to not count against the salary cap. Additionally iirc, clubs keep 3/4 of the HG transfer fee as opposed to the normal 2/3.


Those HG contracts are really low though right? Like 60k a year or something, just for two seasons? And after that contract expires they count against the cap. They need to make it so that HG players never count against the cap. But that is a good start, I didn't realize the rules had moved so far in the right direction. Hopefully over time, owners will see the incentives and encourage managers to play for more than the result (ie try to develop players). The style of play desperately needs to change; it's holding us back more than anything else.
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #59
Sunday May 11, 2014 5:19pm

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Looks like it didn't take long for a number of Dutch sides to start lining up for Agudelo's signature. From a report on MLSsoccer.com; Agudelo and Stoke have mutually ended the pre-contract, and a number of Eredivisie sides are looking to vie for Agudelo's signature this summer.

But I would hazard to guess that a number of other European teams will start lining up as well.

Would you guys like to see him continue in the Eredivisie for a few seasons or go to a team in the Bundesliga, La Liga, or Serie A?

Jzaval01
Post #60
Sunday May 11, 2014 5:22pm

Joined May 2013
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As long as its a team that can create solid chances. Staying in the Netherlands will help him develop more.

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