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USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #46
Saturday February 8, 2014 2:15am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Haha didn't Rodgers already concede the title!?


Of course he is....tempering expectations after not signing anyone in the January window. Doesn't change the fact that United has no chance at the title and even top 4 is fleeting.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #47
Saturday February 8, 2014 2:20am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,199
Original post from Jzaval01

Agree. But i guess the point was in recent years even though Liverpool won UCL in 2005 correct?


Won it in 2005, lost in the final to Milan in 2007, lost to Chelsea in the semis in 2008, then began the descent out of the top 4 because of trash owners.....and now we are back.

blaise213
San Francisco CA
Post #48
Saturday February 8, 2014 3:57am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,372
MLS needs to raise the DP level to 4 after the 2014 World Cup is over.

There will be tons of players looking to come to the MLS

skangles
DC
Post #49
Saturday February 8, 2014 5:09am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 2,011
Original post from blaise213

MLS needs to raise the DP level to 4 after the 2014 World Cup is over.

There will be tons of players looking to come to the MLS


Good call. When does this CBA expire?

tylercocinas
Post #50
Saturday February 8, 2014 5:24am

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 774
It expires this summer

rjw77
Post #51
Saturday February 8, 2014 3:38pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 265
I know no one is talking about it on here, but on every place where you can talk about soccer it is brought up every time, so I want to address it, and that is promotion/relegation.

This idea will NOT work in the United States. It would be an utter disaster and discourage owners from investing in teams.

Say Toronto, for example, has Michael Bradley (God forbid) or Defoe go down with a season ending injury. So now, despite all the money they put into this team, Tornto struggles and finishes the season in the relegation zone. They are demoted and replaced by, let's say, FC Edmonton.

This would be a DISASTER.

The big teams in Europe are never in trouble for relegation even if they have injuries because they don't have a salary cap and can spend as much as they choose. Teams in the US have a salary cap which limits them to build amazing teams, naturally, but also keeps the league entirely competitive which is a much better system.

All in all, while it might make end of the year games more interesting for bad teams, pro/rel will never be viable in the US.

navi8132
Post #52
Saturday February 8, 2014 4:01pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,019
It stems from nothing more than the insecurity that "if we are not built like a euro league, we are inferior."

blaise213
San Francisco CA
Post #53
Sunday February 9, 2014 5:04am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,372
Heard my boy Gyasi Zardes got a sick goal vs FC Shirak

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #54
Sunday February 9, 2014 6:48am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,135
Original post from blaise213

Heard my boy Gyasi Zardes got a sick goal vs FC Shirak


It's going to be a big year for him. This guy has the talent to be special at winger or striker.

blaise213
San Francisco CA
Post #55
Sunday February 9, 2014 6:52am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,372
The highlights are up on the LA Galaxy website.

Heard he had a great game

MSantoine
Post #56
Sunday February 9, 2014 2:26pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,205
Original post from rjw77

I know no one is talking about it on here, but on every place where you can talk about soccer it is brought up every time, so I want to address it, and that is promotion/relegation.

This idea will NOT work in the United States. It would be an utter disaster and discourage owners from investing in teams.

Say Toronto, for example, has Michael Bradley (God forbid) or Defoe go down with a season ending injury. So now, despite all the money they put into this team, Tornto struggles and finishes the season in the relegation zone. They are demoted and replaced by, let's say, FC Edmonton.

This would be a DISASTER.

The big teams in Europe are never in trouble for relegation even if they have injuries because they don't have a salary cap and can spend as much as they choose. Teams in the US have a salary cap which limits them to build amazing teams, naturally, but also keeps the league entirely competitive which is a much better system.

All in all, while it might make end of the year games more interesting for bad teams, pro/rel will never be viable in the US.


The reason why pro/rel works in Europe is two reasons. The first is no salary cap so the big clubs that carry the league are never at risk. Man U, Liverpool, barca, etc will never get relegated. Secondly most euro teams have 25-30 teams that could be viable 1st division teams. That makes the 10-15 teams that are consistently up plus the 5-10 teams that bounce back and forth. If you look at recent history it's usually teams go down for 1-2 seasons and either come back up (like hertha's Berlin) or plummet like black pool. Thirdly is geography. Because the euro leagues are small countries each region has multiple teams and always at least 1 in top division.

For mls to work we'd first have to dump Canada to there own domestic league (or keep Montreal, Toronto, and Vancouver like EPL kept Swansea and Cardiff city even though wales has there own league). With Canada it makes the geographic problem even bigger. Secondly we'd need two viable teams in each major market to hopefully make sure each market had at least one team. For example with the revs in foxboro they'd need another team in either Boston, providence, or Hartford. A team in Pitt to be near phile. Baltimore in addition to dc, etc. because of the size of USA we'd need about 60 stadiums suitable for mls and have a 30-35 team 1st division and 25-30 team second division. Until that happens I can't see any scenario where pro/rel would work

tylercocinas
Post #57
Sunday February 9, 2014 4:20pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 774
Original post from rjw77

I know no one is talking about it on here, but on every place where you can talk about soccer it is brought up every time, so I want to address it, and that is promotion/relegation.


I think we're all pretty much on the same page as far as that's concerned. Not really any point in discussing it. There's not even a viable 2nd division to support the concept

Tiger
Post #58
Sunday February 9, 2014 9:53pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 94
Some interesting comments on this thread regarding potential growth of MLS, promotion and relegation, salary cap, et al.

European clubs are beginning to have to reckon with the Financial Fair Play rules, which are in essence a form of salary cap. It remains to be seen how systematically and uniformly it will be enforced across/throughout all European leagues.

The advantages and drawbacks of the current MLS model of having franchises sanctioned by the league office versus the traditional model of actual independent clubs has to be examined over the long term.

One of the benefits of utilizing a promotion/relegation model is that it provides strong incentives for clubs to most always field the most competitive side possible. It also provides an opportunity for smaller clubs with primarily local supporter bases the opportunity to rise into the top division(s) and realize the corresponding recognition and benefits that come with such a rise.

Perhaps here in the US we can develop a system that incorporates the best of traditional US style playoffs with the best features he promotion/relegation system offers.

Something along the lines of perhaps MLS reserve teams at least initially comprising a second division, with USL and/or NASL clubs initially comprising third and fourth divisions.

Clubs could then rise or fall based on some combination of playoffs and promotion/relegation performances. Something that would also be innovative and uniquely American in style.

admsghs27
Post #59
Sunday February 9, 2014 10:06pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,304
Anyone heard of Dolcem ? I think he is posting as other users we all know his long posts lol.

Tiger
Post #60
Monday February 10, 2014 1:38am

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 94
Or maybe one chooses to post 42 times as opposed to 1,820. LOL.

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