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2tone
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Post #16
Tuesday January 14, 2014 3:58am

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Original post from tylercocinas

To me, they legitimately don't even see it coming.

I think Europe is way too cocky and entrenched in their ways ("old continent" mentality) to ever be worried about MLS until it's too late.


Yeah I see that mentality as well, more among the older population. Some of the younger more educated population legitimately recognize that MLS has huge potential.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #17
Tuesday January 14, 2014 4:21am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,076
Original post from 2tone

Hahaha. I get a sense that the powers that be in England and European Football/Soccer are really worried about the potential of MLS. EPL especially does not want MLS to potentially take Fans/Money away from their pockets. The less potential fans care about the EPL the less money potential TV partners will be willing to give up for the TV rights.

They don't want MLS competing for potential players either. Hence why you here nothing good about MLS in Europe and England. Many MLS players/ coaches have stated that the demand for talented players from Europe wanting to come to MLS is very high. If MLS shows that they are willing to pay good money for players i.e. Deuce, Bradley, Henry, Beckham etc... the more willing players are take that risk to come Stateside and to Canada. Like I have stated in the past European players love the fact that they can live in Miami or LA or NYC or wherever in the States/Canada and actually be able to have normal lives outside of soccer. Plus you get a very high quality of life for yourself and your family.

Europe has lived in this bubble for over 50 years now of not properly being challenged from other countries and leagues; well it seems MLS is about to challenge that. It's not going over to well in Europe. The potential MLS has in the US and Canada money wise could potentially be NFL like in 20 years. NFL is the most profitable league in the world by a wide margin, If MLS could even be half as profitable they would dwarf the EPL profitability. Hell the Bundesliga has already taken over as the most profitable professional Soccer League in the world.

The Bundesliga is profiting at about 190 million Euros. The EPL is profiting around 121 Million Euros. NFL 1.16 Billion dollars in profit.

MLS has the potential to be the most profitable league in the world. Soccer is 2nd behind Football in popularity in this country between the ages of 12 to 25. Guess what: that audience is the future audience of MLS.

If I was European Football brass I would be worried too.


It's ridiculous. I also forgot Chicago, Toronto, and Montreal. All great cities to live in.

People don't think Xavi and/or Drogba wouldn't mind getting paid AND living in NYC? They're crazy...

Dam
Chandler, AZ
Post #18
Tuesday January 14, 2014 4:42am

Joined Aug 2013
Total Posts: 40
While the MLS is growing and the style of play is improving it will take time for us to be able to compete with the TOP Leagues of Europe (England, Germany, Italy, Spain, France, Holland). Ultimately it starts with player development....once the MLS begins to produce 3-5 1st team players every year MLS will have the players, depth, and revenue to compete with other leagues.
I'm not against players staying or returning to MLS (Parkhurst, Dempsey, Donovan, Edu, Goodson, Gooch, Jones, etc...), but would have preferred if Bradley would have stuck it out in Europe at least until after the WC. Hope that the young guns in Europe (Shea, Gyau, Williams, Gatt, AJ, Brooks, Boyd, etc....) find places where they can excel...even if it's not in the Prem, Bundas, etc....

tylercocinas
Post #19
Tuesday January 14, 2014 5:18am

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
Original post from Scout92

When the MLS is one of the top 3 leagues in the world I will be a die hard fan til then I'll watch an occasional game. I'd rather watch top soccer.


That's like saying you'll about the environment once it's clean, but never actually picking up any trash yourself. Of course, I respect you're right to have your opinion but I've never understood it.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #20
Tuesday January 14, 2014 5:22am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,247
Original post from Dam

While the MLS is growing and the style of play is improving it will take time for us to be able to compete with the TOP Leagues of Europe (England, Germany, Italy, Spain, France, Holland). Ultimately it starts with player development....once the MLS begins to produce 3-5 1st team players every year MLS will have the players, depth, and revenue to compete with other leagues.
I'm not against players staying or returning to MLS (Parkhurst, Dempsey, Donovan, Edu, Goodson, Gooch, Jones, etc...), but would have preferred if Bradley would have stuck it out in Europe at least until after the WC. Hope that the young guns in Europe (Shea, Gyau, Williams, Gatt, AJ, Brooks, Boyd, etc....) find places where they can excel...even if it's not in the Prem, Bundas, etc....


Is playing in Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Austria, the Netherlands, and the Championship better than playing in MLS? IMO it's not. If MLS is willing to put up the money to keep and retain their top talent then there is no reason for American players to leave for those Leagues. I get leaving for the EPL or Bundesliga but leaving for lesser leagues in Europe makes no sense if MLS has competitive wages.

skangles
DC
Post #21
Tuesday January 14, 2014 6:19am

Joined Jan 2013
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The MLS needs to tread lightly during this period to avoid signing another Lother Matthaus (to a lesser extent). Most of the guys mentioned are looking to cash in at the end of their careers and while that had worked out well for the Henrys, Cahills and Hertzogs of the world, I don't think we are past the point where a well known player might just be looking for a paid holiday.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #22
Tuesday January 14, 2014 6:34am

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Over Under Ronaldo goes to Miami after the 2018 WC? His Real Madrid contract expires in 2018. Miami will be in the league in 2016 or 2017. You can bet your ass Beckham and Co. will make a move for him in 2018. And he will be 32 years old.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #23
Tuesday January 14, 2014 2:31pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,467
Original post from 2tone

Over Under Ronaldo goes to Miami after the 2018 WC? His Real Madrid contract expires in 2018. Miami will be in the league in 2016 or 2017. You can bet your ass Beckham and Co. will make a move for him in 2018. And he will be 32 years old.


50/50...by then, a few other places with habits to do the same are the middle east and China. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Qatari club push really hard ahead of 2022 to get someone of his stature to bring publicity to the country.

But if he doesn't care about the money by that point, then Miami would be more up his alley.

kjperuch
Post #24
Tuesday January 14, 2014 3:40pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 223
I have been trying for the past couple of seasons to really follow MLS. It has been one of the hardest things for me to do I wont lie. I'm trying to be patriotic about the whole thing but by the middle of the season I just get board. I have always been a Bundesliga guy because they play beautiful football but when I watch MLS its the total opposite. Tell me your techniques for surviving a whole MLS season?

navi8132
New York
Post #25
Tuesday January 14, 2014 3:51pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,067
Stop thinking in terms of absolutes. It is not a world split up into great soccer and shit soccer. There are degrees. MLS is solid soccer, Bundesliga is extremely solid soccer. Enjoy both.

kjperuch
Post #26
Tuesday January 14, 2014 4:09pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 223
Original post from navi8132

Stop thinking in terms of absolutes. It is not a world split up into great soccer and shit soccer. There are degrees. MLS is solid soccer, Bundesliga is extremely solid soccer. Enjoy both.


If only it were that simple. In my eyes MLS is not solid. Sometimes I wonder if it is the atmosphere. Most major football leagues have a great fan atmosphere. When I watch MLS sometimes I feel like im at a high school game and can hear the random horn or cow bell in the distance. I would like the give Seattle ,Salt Lake Kansas City and Portland props because their fans always show up and create a beautiful atmosphere.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #27
Tuesday January 14, 2014 4:09pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,467
Original post from kjperuch

I have been trying for the past couple of seasons to really follow MLS. It has been one of the hardest things for me to do I wont lie. I'm trying to be patriotic about the whole thing but by the middle of the season I just get board. I have always been a Bundesliga guy because they play beautiful football but when I watch MLS its the total opposite. Tell me your techniques for surviving a whole MLS season?


The season should be broken up into 4 parts: the season itself into thirds, and the fourth piece is the playoffs.

The first third last season was awesome for FCD, then freefall for the second two and as a result missed the playoffs and fired our long term manager. We've signed Oscar to lead and we've got a lot of promise, but no illusions about this being a great year.

What did you learn from this rant? Get behind a team! The best way to engage is to actually care. If you've got a local team, get behind them...if not, pick one and follow them. Make a connection and the league will matter. I was like you when I rediscovered my passion for soccer and mostly only watched European and South American leagues. I thought it was too late for me because the Burn had moved a few years prior but FC Dallas had just come back around so here I am, DTID!

navi8132
New York
Post #28
Tuesday January 14, 2014 4:33pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,067
Original post from kjperuch

If only it were that simple. In my eyes MLS is not solid. Sometimes I wonder if it is the atmosphere. Most major football leagues have a great fan atmosphere. When I watch MLS sometimes I feel like im at a high school game and can hear the random horn or cow bell in the distance. I would like the give Seattle ,Salt Lake Kansas City and Portland props because their fans always show up and create a beautiful atmosphere.


Here is a way to do it, watch poor leagues across the world, just a wide variety of leagues, the Austrian League, the Norweigan league, the Australian league, various middle eastern leagues. Then you will appreciate the MLS when you see that there is an endless parade of terrible euro/asian/etc leagues. You will redefine what you see as truly "not solid."

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #29
Tuesday January 14, 2014 5:38pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,247
Original post from kjperuch

I have been trying for the past couple of seasons to really follow MLS. It has been one of the hardest things for me to do I wont lie. I'm trying to be patriotic about the whole thing but by the middle of the season I just get board. I have always been a Bundesliga guy because they play beautiful football but when I watch MLS its the total opposite. Tell me your techniques for surviving a whole MLS season?


Really because I have watched plenty of Bundesliga soccer, and besides Dortmund, Bayern, and maybe Leverkusen and Schalke I wouldn't say the rest of the teams play beautiful soccer.

There are plenty of teams in MLS that play attractive soccer. RSL, KC, Seattle, Vancouver, Portland, LA, NY all provided a lot of attractive soccer last season.

And just like every other league in the world there are teams in MLS that don't have the players to play highly attractive soccer.

admsghs27
Post #30
Tuesday January 14, 2014 7:33pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
I enjoy watching MLS i mean sure some games are horrible and tough to watch but so is the case around the world in all leagues, even the top 3 leagues in the world have some boring terrible games. And not all euro teams have great fan bases i seen better atmospheres in many MLS games than in bundesliga, epl, la liga games.

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