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rainORshine
Post #76
Friday March 28, 2014 8:19pm

Joined Dec 2012
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great. then everyone sounds confident he will shine again next week

looking forward to it

MSantoine
Post #77
Friday March 28, 2014 9:13pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,114
Original post from MattYielding

Doesn't he lead the US in qualifying goals this campaign? He's earned his spot and there is room for him on the field. It's not like we are forcing someone great off the field just to play a bad player. Donovan plays on the left, Dempsey plays in the middle and there's no way that we need Fabian playing LW instead of LB. Beasley is serviceable, but come on. What benefit is there from benching him when he is playing well. Don't misunderstand playing well with being at the level he was his last year with Fulham.


This is the kind of thinking that sepearates soccer nations like Spain, Germany, Brazil, from armchair wannabe nations like US, Mexico, England. You know what should be most important. CURRENT FORM. When selecting the best 23 players for June 2014 I dont want to know who were the best players in 2011 or 2012. I want the best in 2014. That kind of thinking is so ridiculous to me. Look how Spain treats there forwards. Drop in form. Lose your spot with club. See ya. Come back when your on top of your game. We on the other hand keep handing guys caps and minutes on silver platters (how many guys were getting caps and games while not even dressing for club teams the last two years). Its that country club atmosphere that prevents a nation from getting to the next level.

The thinking should be can AJ or landon play under Jozy (or AJ in place of Jozy)? If so do they give us a better chance to win? Dempsey could have scored 50 goals in 2012. Thats two years ago. International soccer has a very short life cycle. Thats what makes what Donovan did so special. Dempsey isn't struggling to create in La Liga. I dont get why some players like him get a free pass while others like Jozy, Chandler, and Cameron are crucifed at every turn

MattYielding
Heber Springs, Arkansas
Post #78
Friday March 28, 2014 9:22pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 83
Since we aren't Spain, we don't have the players to just slide in. Also, has Cameron gotten lots of hate? He has had a couple of bad games, but most everyone agrees that he is miles better than Evans. Chandler is good, but is injured/declined to show up twice when called upon. No doubt he's good, but he doesn't want to be here. Dempsey will be fine and the fact that he's played well at the start of the season is reason to believe this season will be better than last. He's already equalled his scoring total from last year?

TheTruth
Post #79
Friday March 28, 2014 9:30pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 236
I love it when the tempers flare on these threads. They're usually boring as piss. I think for the first time in years looking at these forums I can say, "Rain is right and 2Tone is wrong." Excuse me while I dive under my bed; I think lightening is about to strike.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #80
Friday March 28, 2014 10:34pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 4,919
Original post from TheTruth

I love it when the tempers flare on these threads. They're usually boring as piss. I think for the first time in years looking at these forums I can say, "Rain is right and 2Tone is wrong." Excuse me while I dive under my bed; I think lightening is about to strike.


What am I wrong about?

MSantoine
Post #81
Saturday March 29, 2014 12:46am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,114
Original post from MattYielding

Since we aren't Spain, we don't have the players to just slide in. Also, has Cameron gotten lots of hate? He has had a couple of bad games, but most everyone agrees that he is miles better than Evans. Chandler is good, but is injured/declined to show up twice when called upon. No doubt he's good, but he doesn't want to be here. Dempsey will be fine and the fact that he's played well at the start of the season is reason to believe this season will be better than last. He's already equalled his scoring total from last year?


We aren't Spain but were not talking about benching a Barcelona starter or a Real Madrid starter. If you look at performance and not name there's probably 20-30 attacking players that have performed better in mls then dempsey's top games since he came back.

Also check the RB thread if you don't think Cameron gets hate. His guy scores a goal and people go nuts and think he's a bum

MattYielding
Heber Springs, Arkansas
Post #82
Saturday March 29, 2014 12:59am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 83
Unfortunately, Dempsey is the closest thing we have to a Real Madrid player. Also, lots of players shine for their national team more so than at club level. The fact that he performs well at both is a positive. Who should he sit for? To say that (assuming it's a forgone conclusion that Donovan is at the 10) Brek Shea, Brad Davis, or Julian Green are better players is a bad call.

Dimo
Post #83
Saturday March 29, 2014 1:30am

Joined Nov 2013
Total Posts: 258
Only way Dempsey sits is if we play a 4-4-2. He's too slow for the wing and JA/AJ are actual strikers.

MattYielding
Heber Springs, Arkansas
Post #84
Saturday March 29, 2014 1:45am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 83
Even in a 4-4-2 I would wager that he's a striker.

MSantoine
Post #85
Saturday March 29, 2014 2:46am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,114
Original post from MattYielding

Unfortunately, Dempsey is the closest thing we have to a Real Madrid player. Also, lots of players shine for their national team more so than at club level. The fact that he performs well at both is a positive. Who should he sit for? To say that (assuming it's a forgone conclusion that Donovan is at the 10) Brek Shea, Brad Davis, or Julian Green are better players is a bad call.


Dempsey is no where near a Real Madrid player. Our closest thing would be either fab, Cameron, or Jozy (only counting field players). If Dempsey is as good as some say, and he's playing for a top mls team he should dominate. Not just flashes of decent play but he should dominate. Like Henry does. Defoe has. Etc

As far as replacing Clint there's several options. You have Landon to plug in there. If jk wants to keep fab at winger your looking at an attacking 4 of Jozy, fab,LD,zusi/bedoya. Or AJ could slide underneath Jozy and have Ld and zusi on the wings with fab at fullback. Green potentially could work his way in the picture in the next 3 months. If jk sees Beasley as his LB then there's plenty of options. Even if he doesn't and he wants fab there or at rb then there's still some options.

rainORshine
Post #86
Saturday March 29, 2014 4:53am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,770
agudelo (is another option)

not exactly lighting the dutch league on fire, but we have exactly 3 guys starting at a higher level than the 21 y/o - fabian, cameron and jozy

improving every week

MSantoine
Post #87
Saturday March 29, 2014 1:44pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,114
Original post from rainORshine

agudelo (is another option)

not exactly lighting the dutch league on fire, but we have exactly 3 guys starting at a higher level than the 21 y/o - fabian, cameron and jozy

improving every week


Good call. He slipped my mind. Look at how the revs improved with him underneath a "big point striker". Refs played bengston or imbongo up top in a similar role to Jozy with Agudelo underneath overlapping with fargundez. He could easily play that role and overlap with lando

MattYielding
Heber Springs, Arkansas
Post #88
Saturday March 29, 2014 1:47pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 83
My point wasn't that Dempsey is Real Madrid quality, but that he is one of the best players we have, period. Although your points are well taken, the fact is that there is no way he gets benched. Hopefully he proves you guys wrong and lights it up. (I'm sure everyone would love to see him start overachieving)

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #89
Sunday March 30, 2014 12:58am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 270
Deuce has the vision and talent to move the ball quickly, but that's not his preferred style. He likes to relieve pressure by dribbling first then distributing. He's not quick enough to routinely do that anymore, and he's definitely not quick enough to do that at the WC level. So if JK insists on playing him at ACM, then he's going to need to adapt his approach to move the ball much quicker to be successful. Hope to see some nice quick combo play in the middle.

hamsamwich
Post #90
Sunday March 30, 2014 2:19am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 461
First of all, Dempsey's "best" season, he scored 23 for Fulham, I don't know what you mean by 10/11 Rain, for a stat-man, your stats are all wrong.

For the guy who said a 4-4-2 would still feature Dempsey, many times in our 4-2-3-1 that is what happens as Clint stays high up the pitch. In those situations its really like a 4-4-1-1 but really its all just terminology. What I like about Dempsey is his ability to score goals from the center of the box. Donovan has a place on the team, and against the best competition, especially if we are to advance, perhaps its best if Landon is not counted on to start every game. We need him at his best in the knockout rounds and quarterfinals if we are to make it there. Im thinking he comes on in the 60' in at least one if not two or all three of the group games.

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