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admsghs27
Post #16
Friday December 27, 2013 5:47pm

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Original post from CS10

You do know about half of Englands whole teams have passed through the Championship right? Either Developed there or been loaned out there by an EPL club as a youngster to gain experience idk why your bashing it. Holmes is impressive bc at 18/19 getting min in the championship already shows explosiveness and effectiveness at such a young age where usa has struggled for consistent wing play. And for the other players 5 years is a big time to develop and your already writing them off. 2016 olympic is gunna be very telling as to where each player is in there development. By then the most promising from this list should be thriving. But time will tell. I understand your pessimism, usa hasn't really had an abundance of good attacking players, ever, but it is coming. Just get ready for the ride.


Yea but England sucks at soccer. They are not a powerhouse or anything. They are highly overrated, I bet they wont get out of group stage.

CS10
Post #17
Friday December 27, 2013 6:04pm

Joined Feb 2013
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Original post from admsghs27

Yea but England sucks at soccer. They are not a powerhouse or anything. They are highly overrated, I bet they wont get out of group stage.


Yea but they still have better attacking talent that got developed in the championship which is what I'm trying to prove

blaise213
Post #18
Friday December 27, 2013 6:51pm

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Original post from dolcem

Wood? Didn't he just get released by his 2. Bundesliga club? He's not that young anymore.


I think you mean Andrew Wooten. Disappointed on that. Maybe MLS might be interested.

CS10
Post #19
Friday December 27, 2013 8:26pm

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Also if you count them all up its close to 50 prospects who have a chance to be doing well for their respective clubs. The probability of some of those guys becoming usmnt quality is pretty good. Most have the technique, vision and quickness that has lacked in the American prospects before them to really succeed. Honestly if a guy like Brek(player who lacks technique, soccer iq, vision) doesn't get his sh*t together real soon, other players are gunna jump ahead of him and he'll soon be an after thought.

dolcem
Post #20
Friday December 27, 2013 8:41pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from CS10

You do know about half of Englands whole teams have passed through the Championship right? Either Developed there or been loaned out there by an EPL club as a youngster to gain experience idk why your bashing it. Holmes is impressive bc at 18/19 getting min in the championship already shows explosiveness and effectiveness at such a young age where usa has struggled for consistent wing play. And for the other players 5 years is a big time to develop and your already writing them off. 2016 olympic is gunna be very telling as to where each player is in there development. By then the most promising from this list should be thriving. But time will tell. I understand your pessimism, usa hasn't really had an abundance of good attacking players, ever, but it is coming. Just get ready for the ride.


Yeah some players were loaned out to the Championship to get more PT, and of course Gareth Bale did come from the Championship, but how many players still under contract at a Championship club at 19 turned out to be good? I'm sure there are some guys on the English NT...but the English NT sucks. Especially in terms of attacking talent. Not trying to rip into the Championship but I can think of several leagues with much better track records of developing players. Having said that, what really matters is how good Duane is, and people say he's the real deal, so next time I can get a good stream for Huddersfield (don't have TV) I'll check him out.

Original post from 2tone

Uhm, no Bobby Wood signed a contract extension through 2016 in 2012 for 1860 Munich. And has been playing for 1860 this season. Wood is 21 still young.

Nagbe unpolished? Nope.

Holmes was on the shortlist for the apprentice football player of the year award last year, and is widely considered an emerging top talent. Many players have come out of the Championship and have had very successful Premier League careers and international careers. Gareth Bale for one. Played for Southhampton in the Championship before moving to Tottenham.

Gyau is 21 still young, and is progressing quite well with Hoffenheim.

Many players won't pan out, but many of those players will.


Yeah as blaise said, I was thinking of Wooten. Sorry. I haven't seen Wood play much, so I don't know, but I don't see 21 as being so young.

That goes for Gyau too...isn't he playing in the 4th division of Germany? By the time most good players are 21 they're usually farther along.

I don't know, Nagbe looks pretty raw to me, hopefully I'm wrong. We'll see if he can get transferred to Europe. He's 21 though so he better get there pretty quick.

Hopefully Holmes is as good as people says he is.

Most of these guys won't turn out, some totally new people will...we'll see. But looking at those guys, do I see an Altidore or a Donovan? I'm excited about Flores and Sonora but that's about it, so I'm going to hold my breath on 2018. I think it's too early to get excited about. Maybe my pessimism comes from the fact that I thought we'd have a world class player or two by this point. I remember thinking back in '02 that in a few cycles we would be a world power.
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tylercocinas
Post #21
Friday December 27, 2013 11:22pm

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Original post from dolcem
I don't know, Nagbe looks pretty raw to me, hopefully I'm wrong. We'll see if he can get transferred to Europe. He's 21 though so he better get there pretty quick.


I think Nagbe is much more polished than you insinuate. He made major strides this season under Porter. And he's 23 btw.

Additionally, whether or not he has Europe interest doesn't really seem to be relevant. He needs to maintain continuous residency in the US to be eligible for citizenship in 2015.

dunlopp9987
Post #22
Friday December 27, 2013 11:52pm

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Original post from dolcem

That goes for Gyau too...isn't he playing in the 4th division of Germany? By the time most good players are 21 they're usually farther along.


This is the second time I've seen someone on here blasting Gyau for playing in the German fourth division. Do people not realize that the REASON he's playing in the fourth division is because it's Hoffenheim's reserve team? Meaning that if he continues to play well, he could immediately be called up to the first team. Know where the first team is? Bundesliga 1.

Why can't people get this through their heads?
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navi8132
New York
Post #23
Saturday December 28, 2013 1:21am

Joined Jul 2012
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BECAUSE it's not likely that Gyau will ever get any significant playing time on Hoffenheim 1st team (beyond spare minutes). He is not good enough yet; perhaps he never will be.

admsghs27
Post #24
Saturday December 28, 2013 2:17am

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I actually agree gyau is too old to be playing in the 4th tier. Most 21 yr olds have been playing in the bundesliga for some time. The guy is a prospect for 2018. Shouldnt even be in the conservation for 2014. For ex. Fabian, Chandler, Brooks, Jones, even Williams were playing 1st team around that age.

dunlopp9987
Post #25
Saturday December 28, 2013 2:53am

Joined Mar 2013
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Original post from admsghs27

I actually agree gyau is too old to be playing in the 4th tier. Most 21 yr olds have been playing in the bundesliga for some time. The guy is a prospect for 2018. Shouldnt even be in the conservation for 2014. For ex. Fabian, Chandler, Brooks, Jones, even Williams were playing 1st team around that age.


Yes, he's not in the conversation for 2014 and is a prospect for 2018. Hence why this is the "Atacking Talent 2018" thread.
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dolcem
Post #26
Saturday December 28, 2013 5:45am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from tylercocinas

I think Nagbe is much more polished than you insinuate. He made major strides this season under Porter. And he's 23 btw.

Additionally, whether or not he has Europe interest doesn't really seem to be relevant. He needs to maintain continuous residency in the US to be eligible for citizenship in 2015.


I kind of see him as a good MLS player; perhaps Eddie Johnson would be a good comparison (different skillsets of course). But hopefully you're right. I wasn't trying to say that he IS that, was just offering my humble opinion. For me to be really excited about a young guy, usually they need to either have made it to Europe or are doing well in the MLS in their teens.

Original post from dunlopp9987

This is the second time I've seen someone on here blasting Gyau for playing in the German fourth division. Do people not realize that the REASON he's playing in the fourth division is because it's Hoffenheim's reserve team? Meaning that if he continues to play well, he could immediately be called up to the first team. Know where the first team is? Bundesliga 1.

Why can't people get this through their heads?


I am well aware of that. My thinking is just that usually by the time good players are 21, they have moved past the reserve team. By that age they are usually playing in the top division somewhere (in one of the best leagues). Gyau wasn't able to really cement a first team place at St. Pauli in the 2. Bundesliga. Of course he could turn out to be a great player for us, no one is denying that, my humble opinion is that if you look at the odds, he's not quite 'hype-worthy' at this point. But it's just my opinion, I wasn't trying to piss on anyone's parade.
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #27
Saturday December 28, 2013 7:54am

Joined Jul 2012
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Potential 2018 attacking prospects I am most excited about:

1. Nagbe
2. Arriola
3. Holmes
4. Hoyos
5. Zardes
6. Agudelo

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #28
Saturday December 28, 2013 3:14pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 999
Original post from 2tone

Potential 2018 attacking prospects I am most excited about:

1. Nagbe
2. Arriola
3. Holmes
4. Hoyos
5. Zardes
6. Agudelo


Fagundez if he gets the citizenship?

Live490
Texas
Post #29
Saturday December 28, 2013 8:31pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,175
Why does almost everyone rule out Donovan and Dempsey? All these other players can fall off or suffered an injury, or something. IF Donovan still wants to play and runs decently I'd take him. Dempsey too, up top.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #30
Saturday December 28, 2013 8:34pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,574
Original post from Live490

Why does almost everyone rule out Donovan and Dempsey? All these other players can fall off or suffered an injury, or something. IF Donovan still wants to play and runs decently I'd take him. Dempsey too, up top.


Probably because Lando will be 36 in 2018 and Dempsey will be 35.

And to be fair both are showing signs of wearing down greatly.

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