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2tone
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Post #1
Friday December 27, 2013 1:28am

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Which potential attacking talents: wingers/LAM's/ RAM's/CAM's/wide FWDS are you all most excited about heading into the 2018 WC cycle. This list is not in any specific ranking:

1. Fabian Johnson
2. Bedoya
3. Gatt
4. Gyau
5. Shea
6. Wood
7. Junior Flores
8. Gil
9. Holmes
10. Arriola
11. Gall
12. Aribiyi
13. Villarreal
14. Salgado
15. Lynden Gooch
16. Rubio Rubin
18. Zach Pfeffer
19. Danny Cuevas
20. Kellyn Rowe
21. Mario Rodriguez
22. Marc Pelosi
23. Michael Hoyos
24. Gyasi Zardes
25. Darlington Nagbe
26. Julian Green
27. Shawn Parker

That list is deep, deep, deep, and effing talented.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #2
Friday December 27, 2013 2:05am

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The last 3 probably won't play for us. And should we maybe chill on the 2018 stuff until after 2014? I wonder, in 2010, there were similar lists of players people were talking about for 2014. I would be curious to see
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Post #3
Friday December 27, 2013 2:14am

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Original post from snipes87

The last 3 probably won't play for us. And should we maybe chill on the 2018 stuff until after 2014? I wonder, in 2010, there were similar lists of players people were talking about for 2014. I would be curious to see


Darlington Nagbe will be a US citizen December of 2015, and has already declared his intention of getting that citizenship and repping the USMNT. So...... Green and Parker are still question marks, but not Nagbe.

Why chill? The locker room was meant for conversation. In 2010 their wasn't anywhere close to this extent of attacking talent in MLS or Europe for the USMNT.

tylercocinas
Post #4
Friday December 27, 2013 3:11am

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Nothing wrong with looking ahead. And yes, journalists and fans alike did this in 2010. Literally days after we lost I remember reading people's projections for the upcoming WC cycle. Obviously no one can see the future, so it's pure speculation but these are guys we should be keeping track of for sure as USMNT supporters. Also, while it's true that percentage-wise, most of these guys won't become USMNT regulars, the names on that list all play in arguably our greatest areas of need, so why not have a list of future candidates?

hamsamwich
Post #5
Friday December 27, 2013 3:43am

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Flores, Gil, Holmes are guys I've actually seen play, and all of them are exciting prospects.

2Tone dont forget my boy as he fully recovers from his knee injury, I expect big things this year for: Victor Pineda of the Chicago Fire. Coach Klopas was very guarded with this kid after his injury, but he can play.

Also whats that the name of the enganche coming up for Boca Jrs? Dont forget him.

dolcem
Post #6
Friday December 27, 2013 5:17am

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Original post from hamsamwich

Also whats that the name of the enganche coming up for Boca Jrs? Dont forget him.


We have an American enganche coming up for Boca Juniors??????????????????
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Post #7
Friday December 27, 2013 5:27am

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Joel sonora ? He had a great goal in the sub 17 wc qualifiers. Seeing all those prospects I still dont think those players will take us to the next level. The "powerhouse" soccer nation. Their good but dont think they could take us to a final or something.

rjw77
Post #8
Friday December 27, 2013 5:28am

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Are you referring to Joel Sonora or however you spell it? I wonder what's happened with him after how good he played in the u17 qualifiers

dolcem
Post #9
Friday December 27, 2013 5:42am

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I've heard the name before but I had no idea he was a #10 coming through the Boca Juniors youth setup...oh man that is a wet dream and a half (no homo). He could end up playing for Argentina but I don't think so. Kids like Sonora are a dime a dozen in Argentina but we desperately need this kind of player.
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Post #10
Friday December 27, 2013 6:12am

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Im interested the brazilian american kid.

Robert Kennedy Nunes ..

Whose the dual national kid that can play for the netherlands?

CS10
Post #11
Friday December 27, 2013 6:20am

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And to add to the list:
Agudelo
Deleon
Duka
Serna
Salazar
Garcia
Pineda
Moreno
Hurtado
Velasquez
Smith
Allen
Martin
Hyndman
Wright(maybe too young)
Cortinas
Rodriguez

I dont even think we'll see Bedoya on the wing anymore by that time he'll be more effective centrally. Finally gunna have the x factor we needed. Speed and technique. Our atrack is going to be on par with at least that of Colombia and Japan

dolcem
Post #12
Friday December 27, 2013 8:10am

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I hate to be a pessimist but I'm not too wild about any of these people. I haven't seen some of them play but there isn't a single one that I'm optimistic about as far as their club prospects go. But what I will say is there will be other players that come out of nowhere. Maybe some of them will be great. It's too early to tell who the new players in 2018 will be (but fun to talk about).

Gyau is a decent 2. Bundesliga player and he's not really that young anymore.

Gatt is fast and that's about it. He's also injury prone and inconsistent. Everybody was talking about how he'd make it to a big club but he's not really young anymore and he's still at Molde.

Shea? That slide-tackle at the beginning of the year sucked but I just don't know if he's a Premier League player. He is physically gifted and has some raw ability but I'm not sure if he's at that level. I think his game is too simple (it's very MLS) and I think top-level defenders will figure him out. I think he could make it Holland or even Germany (he'd fit in well to that style) and it's the perfect place to develop a player like him. In Holland he would be in a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 (all teams in the Eredevisie use one of these two formations), playing fast, attacking soccer that isn't too physical or uber-competitive with people who train these kids into some of the best attacking players in the world. It'd be a similar situation in Germany. But instead, he went to England, which does not have a good record for developing players (and it's too fast, physical, and competitive to be a good learning place for Shea at this point; he's trying to learn European soccer and while the EPL is great for players 26-30 (the money is the best and you could argue the competition is, too), it is NOT good for people under 24 or 25...at that age you want to be learning in a place like Holland or Germany (depending on the type of player of course, it's not the case for everyone, but it is for Brek).

Wood? Didn't he just get released by his 2. Bundesliga club? He's not that young anymore.

Flores? Sounds great but he is so young...it's too early to tell. But he certainly has a lot of potential.

Gil? Similar as Flores, but he's older and I don't think has quite the upside (Flores is going through one of the best youth systems in the world at a much younger age). I want to see him leave MLS ASAP. He's been playing there for a long time. Not that he's too good for the MLS or anything but there's the law of diminishing returns and at this point he'll learn more if he goes to a league that has a better track record of developing players of his style (I think Brazil, Portugal, or Spain, or maybe Holland would be the best choices). If you look at the trajectory of good players, when they were young they were usually moving up the levels pretty quickly (as in they didn't stay too long in one place). Anyway, he doesn't fit into the 4-4-2 diamond, he should be playing in a 4-3-3 or 4-5-1, so I want to see him move. He's been a pro for like three seasons now and he's constantly having to play out of position.

Homes? How many good young players ever come out of the Championship (OK, there were Walcott and Ox, but they were prodigies bought by Arsenal at the age of 17) these days?

I think Pfeffer will probably turn out to be a really nice MLS player but I do not think he is Europe material. Same goes for Kellyn Rowe. I've been hearing about Salgado for a long time and am waiting to see it happen.

Cuevas might've missed the buss.

Villarreal? We'll see. I don't think he fits the MLS style well but he has not been able to score goals.

Zardes and Nagbe are too unpolished at this point. Great athletically but I don't think they'll be playing ball in Europe.

Hoyos still hasn't played anywhere near like he did pre-accident.

Pelosi just had a really nasty injury.

The two most promising guys won't play for us (they'll play for Germany) and the rest I don't know too much about the rest (especially CS10's list) but are they really doing anything yet to get us excited?

So out of this bunch, not optimistic, and as every year goes by I start to get worried. We're producing more and more good players, but our very best ones aren't getting much better. There are players from the 90's and early 00's that I wish played for us. I thought with the exponentially increasing numbers of people getting into the game (more money, too) we would be getting better players by this point. Hope I'm proved wrong.
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San Jose
Post #13
Friday December 27, 2013 8:14am

Joined May 2013
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I gotta go with FJ, Pelosi, Flores...

Hoping Corona and Joya kick it up a notch...still a ton of competition...excited to see more of Arriola, Rubin, Gooch and Holmes...Hoping we can see a healthy Salgado for a full season. Hoping Agudelo gets serious about his game and doesn't waste his talent.

The cherry on top would be to have Green in the fold.

They all have the skill and talent but only a few will have the mental toughness to go with the creativity. The precious few that have the same drive as LD and Stu will come through.

CS10
Post #14
Friday December 27, 2013 9:18am

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 94
Original post from dolcem

I hate to be a pessimist but I'm not too wild about any of these people. I haven't seen some of them play but there isn't a single one that I'm optimistic about as far as their club prospects go. But what I will say is there will be other players that come out of nowhere. Maybe some of them will be great. It's too early to tell who the new players in 2018 will be (but fun to talk about).

Gyau is a decent 2. Bundesliga player and he's not really that young anymore.

Gatt is fast and that's about it. He's also injury prone and inconsistent. Everybody was talking about how he'd make it to a big club but he's not really young anymore and he's still at Molde.

Shea? That slide-tackle at the beginning of the year sucked but I just don't know if he's a Premier League player. He is physically gifted and has some raw ability but I'm not sure if he's at that level. I think his game is too simple (it's very MLS) and I think top-level defenders will figure him out. I think he could make it Holland or even Germany (he'd fit in well to that style) and it's the perfect place to develop a player like him. In Holland he would be in a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 (all teams in the Eredevisie use one of these two formations), playing fast, attacking soccer that isn't too physical or uber-competitive with people who train these kids into some of the best attacking players in the world. It'd be a similar situation in Germany. But instead, he went to England, which does not have a good record for developing players (and it's too fast, physical, and competitive to be a good learning place for Shea at this point; he's trying to learn European soccer and while the EPL is great for players 26-30 (the money is the best and you could argue the competition is, too), it is NOT good for people under 24 or 25...at that age you want to be learning in a place like Holland or Germany (depending on the type of player of course, it's not the case for everyone, but it is for Brek).

Wood? Didn't he just get released by his 2. Bundesliga club? He's not that young anymore.

Flores? Sounds great but he is so young...it's too early to tell. But he certainly has a lot of potential.

Gil? Similar as Flores, but he's older and I don't think has quite the upside (Flores is going through one of the best youth systems in the world at a much younger age). I want to see him leave MLS ASAP. He's been playing there for a long time. Not that he's too good for the MLS or anything but there's the law of diminishing returns and at this point he'll learn more if he goes to a league that has a better track record of developing players of his style (I think Brazil, Portugal, or Spain, or maybe Holland would be the best choices). If you look at the trajectory of good players, when they were young they were usually moving up the levels pretty quickly (as in they didn't stay too long in one place). Anyway, he doesn't fit into the 4-4-2 diamond, he should be playing in a 4-3-3 or 4-5-1, so I want to see him move. He's been a pro for like three seasons now and he's constantly having to play out of position.

Homes? How many good young players ever come out of the Championship (OK, there were Walcott and Ox, but they were prodigies bought by Arsenal at the age of 17) these days?

I think Pfeffer will probably turn out to be a really nice MLS player but I do not think he is Europe material. Same goes for Kellyn Rowe. I've been hearing about Salgado for a long time and am waiting to see it happen.

Cuevas might've missed the buss.

Villarreal? We'll see. I don't think he fits the MLS style well but he has not been able to score goals.

Zardes and Nagbe are too unpolished at this point. Great athletically but I don't think they'll be playing ball in Europe.

Hoyos still hasn't played anywhere near like he did pre-accident.

Pelosi just had a really nasty injury.

The two most promising guys won't play for us (they'll play for Germany) and the rest I don't know too much about the rest (especially CS10's list) but are they really doing anything yet to get us excited?

So out of this bunch, not optimistic, and as every year goes by I start to get worried. We're producing more and more good players, but our very best ones aren't getting much better. There are players from the 90's and early 00's that I wish played for us. I thought with the exponentially increasing numbers of people getting into the game (more money, too) we would be getting better players by this point. Hope I'm proved wrong.


You do know about half of Englands whole teams have passed through the Championship right? Either Developed there or been loaned out there by an EPL club as a youngster to gain experience idk why your bashing it. Holmes is impressive bc at 18/19 getting min in the championship already shows explosiveness and effectiveness at such a young age where usa has struggled for consistent wing play. And for the other players 5 years is a big time to develop and your already writing them off. 2016 olympic is gunna be very telling as to where each player is in there development. By then the most promising from this list should be thriving. But time will tell. I understand your pessimism, usa hasn't really had an abundance of good attacking players, ever, but it is coming. Just get ready for the ride.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #15
Friday December 27, 2013 4:36pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,606
Uhm, no Bobby Wood signed a contract extension through 2016 in 2012 for 1860 Munich. And has been playing for 1860 this season. Wood is 21 still young.

Nagbe unpolished? Nope.

Holmes was on the shortlist for the apprentice football player of the year award last year, and is widely considered an emerging top talent. Many players have come out of the Championship and have had very successful Premier League careers and international careers. Gareth Bale for one. Played for Southhampton in the Championship before moving to Tottenham.

Gyau is 21 still young, and is progressing quite well with Hoffenheim.

Many players won't pan out, but many of those players will.

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