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dunlopp9987
Post #211
Thursday May 19, 2016 10:58pm

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Here. Number of CL winners in the last 20 years:

Spain: 8
England: 4
Italy: 4
Germany: 3
Portugal:1

So clearly Spain has the advantage. But it's only two teams (maybe 3 if Atleti win it this year). But it's always going to be Real/Barca, with Atleti occasionally stopping by to say hello.

Spain have clearly been on top in Europe, anyone who disagrees, well...just can't read. But the biggest complaint against La Liga is that it's extremely top-heavy. And rightfully so. Real and Barca are clearly going to be two of the best sides in Europe year in and year out, but it's usually just the two of them battling it out in La Liga.

Winners of La Liga in the last 20 years:
Barca: 10
Real: 6
Valencia: 2
Atleti: 1
Coruna: 1

And since the 04/05 season, Atleti has won the league once. It's been Real/Barca every other year.

Again, Barca and Real are without a doubt the class of Europe (I would say it's those two and Bayern, consistently). But as a fan of the game, having a duopoly at the top year in and year out (with Atleti every now and again) is not exciting for me. Just my opinion, but I'm not interested in watching the same two teams win the silverware every year.
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Know Nothing
Post #212
Thursday May 19, 2016 11:10pm

Joined Jan 2013
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[quote]Original post from dolcem

Oh come on guys. Liverpool had just as much motivation for that final. The only thing that matters is Champions League. There is no way you can tell me that they were distracted for the final that would qualify them for Champions League because they were worried about missing out on Europa League qualification. The Europa League only matters if you win it and qualify for Champions League. That's where the money comes from, that's where players want to play. It will be much harder for Klopp this summer to recruit players because they missed out on Champions League. [quote]

Yes, but having Europa League as a fall back in case you don't win the final is better than nothing and enhances Klopps chances of enticing new players.

[quote] You can't just buy a bunch of players from abroad and assume they will play well as a team. The local players and managers, the ones that still make up the base of a league, are simply much better in Spain than they are in England. And for that reason, all of the money in the world still hasn't enabled the EPL to overtake it as a league.[/quote]

Sure you can...Barca and Real do it all the time.

dunlopp9987
Post #213
Thursday May 19, 2016 11:16pm

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Original post from Know Nothing

Sure you can...Barca and Real do it all the time.


Yeah...of Real's starting XI in their 2nd leg against City, only Carvajal and Jese were academy products. So....there goes that theory.
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admsghs27
Post #214
Thursday May 19, 2016 11:33pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from MSantoine

Teams like Chelsea, Stoke City, Liverpool, Southampton, West Brom would all qualify for UCL if they were in La Liga.

No one is denying that Barca, Real, & Madrid are better than any EPL team. But after those three theres 10 or so EPL teams better than the 4th place team. Other than Villa no EPL team would ever get relegated from La Liga. Those bottom 7-8 teams are pathetic.

So would teams like bilbao, villareal, sevilla, Sociedad if they were on Epl. People act like the Epl is this great league but their not their good against each other but not that good when they face other euro competition. If they were to play all 19 teams in order of table finish like 1 v1, 2 v 2 , 3 v 3 etc La liga would go 11-8 maybe 12-7 against epl.

TheTruth
Post #215
Friday May 20, 2016 2:51am

Joined Dec 2013
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Original post from dolcem

Are you high? No offense but that is probably the dumbest post I've seen her in a long time. And that's really saying something.

I remember back in the days when it was the same four that qualified for the CL in the EPL every year (ManU, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool). They were all good teams but the rest of the league was utter shite. La Liga, on the other hand, had six CL caliber teams (Barca, Real, Atleti, Sevilla, Villarreal, Valencia). But people would say that it was a two-horse race, bla bla bla. Since then, the English league has fallen to shit. When was the last time an English team won the CL? All of their teams get eliminated before the quarterfinals every year. It's a complete joke. Leceister fucking City won their league with ease. And everyone talks about how "deep" it is.

Remember Michu? Bottom-tier Spanish player who came in and took the EPL by storm. Or remember that time Athletic Bilbao played ManU in the Europa League? Ferguson's ManU? They went to Old Trafford and played them off the fucking pitch. ManU scored a goal at the end to make it 3-1 but Bilbao should have won by 5 or 6.

How about Atletico Madrid? They were a mid-table Spanish team on a small budget with a failed manager (Simeone was terrible in Argentina). And he beat Barca and Real Madrid in the league and almost won them the Champions League. Now they have a shot at doing it again. This team, that dominates in Europe every season, is comprised of the same group of mid-table La Liga players that a few years ago were worth nothing. They've lost Diego Costa, Luis Filipe, and several other key players and they're better than ever. These were second-rate La Liga players and they are better than ANY team in England. No way anyone can argue that any English team is on the level of Atletico Madrid.

The EPL is a fucking joke and if you matched up every Spanish team and every English team, the La Liga team would won 3 times out of 4. There is no comparison between the leagues. You can't buy success. The English teams have higher salaries but thanks to homegrown rules, a about half the players have to be British, and the British players are complete shite. They're simply not on the same level as their Spanish counterparts in La Liga that make up the bulk of those teams.

Once again we'll have a Spanish winner of both cups. The EPL is on the verge of losing a Champions League place while Spain might end up with 5. The numbers don't lie. The only way to measure the leagues-continental competition-proves the gulf in class between the two. The Spanish teams simply beat out the other leagues' teams consistently. It's clearly the best league in the world.


Yeah, that post was pretty bad.

admsghs27
Post #216
Friday May 20, 2016 3:02am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
I guess that should make MLS the most exciting league in the world because any team could win it all every year there's never a big favorite. I bet none of y'all had Portland winning MLS Cup this past season and lets say this year a team like Colorado wins it that would be amazing as well and unpredictable.

USAGunner
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Post #217
Friday May 20, 2016 1:27pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
dolcem,
It's not that what you say has no merit. There is a lot of merit to it. But you would do much better with your argument if you weren't throwing around such Hyperbole. You would also do well to lend credence to others viewpoints.
La Liga can be better (even much better) without EPL being crap
etc, etc, etc.

The difference between La Liga and EPL is an age old argument of what makes a league better. Is it having Top Teams that dominate everything and are extremely good, but having garbage in the bottom? Or is it having good teams through 1-20, and having a few really good (not as good as extremely good) teams. Both sides are legit opinions (and lets face it, that's all they really are).

Some will favor the EPL, some will favor La Liga, and some will favor the Bundesliga (which has a good mix).
Personally I would take Bundesliga, EPL, and La Liga.

One thing you can look at to see where true depth is, is the 2nd divisions. 2 Bundesliga and Championship are way better than Segunda Liga. By almost any measure. Seriously look at the TV ratings and how many people go to those games and they compare to leagues like Eredivisie, Ukraine, Portugal. They are likely on their own accord top 15 Euro leagues themselves.

La Liga doesn't have that kind of depth. They just don't.
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dolcem
Post #218
Friday May 20, 2016 9:04pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from USAGunner

La Liga doesn't have that kind of depth. They just don't.


They do.

Villarreal consistently did well in the Champions League, year-in year-out, and they were relegated. While they were in the Champions League. When was the last time an English team went from the Champions League to relegation in one year?

La Segunda is better than the Championship and La Liga has more depth. That's because at that level, it's all local players and managers, and we all know how much better the Spaniards are than their English counterparts. At playing and coaching. I don't know if it's the weather or their style of play or what but English soccer is seriously in decline. Yeah, sure the foreign imports are getting better and better, but the backbone of these teams, the English players and managers (and they make up the bulk of the Championship) are only getting worse and worse. The same is happening in Scotland (for the same reasons, whatever they are). If Joe Hart gets injured, who will play in goal for the English? I mean Roy Hodgson is the best English manager. It's embarrassing.

Sure I've used hyperbole but I'm sick of the way the media and the fans of the EPL talk as if it's way better than all of the other leagues. All of the time they are making statements like this. You don't hear the Spaniards or the Germans constantly brag about how great their league is. Yet every time something happens in the EPL we have to hear over and over again about how it's the best league. This year that's all everyone is talking about, with Leceister winning the league and all, and that's somehow supposed to prove the EPL is the world's best league? That some mediocre team won the league with ease? It was a one-horse race pretty much all season. La Liga, on the other hand, went right down to the final fixture, with three teams in contention. Two of which are playing in the Champions League final. But for some reason, people go on and on about how it's nowhere near as good as the Prem, and we have to hear about it constantly from the pundits and foreign EPL fans. I'll tell you one thing, Leceister would never win La Liga, and I don't think they'd ever qualify for the Champions League, either.
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dunlopp9987
Post #219
Friday May 20, 2016 10:10pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,564
Original post from dolcem

They do.

Villarreal consistently did well in the Champions League, year-in year-out, and they were relegated. While they were in the Champions League. When was the last time an English team went from the Champions League to relegation in one year?

La Segunda is better than the Championship and La Liga has more depth. That's because at that level, it's all local players and managers, and we all know how much better the Spaniards are than their English counterparts. At playing and coaching. I don't know if it's the weather or their style of play or what but English soccer is seriously in decline. Yeah, sure the foreign imports are getting better and better, but the backbone of these teams, the English players and managers (and they make up the bulk of the Championship) are only getting worse and worse. The same is happening in Scotland (for the same reasons, whatever they are). If Joe Hart gets injured, who will play in goal for the English? I mean Roy Hodgson is the best English manager. It's embarrassing.

Sure I've used hyperbole but I'm sick of the way the media and the fans of the EPL talk as if it's way better than all of the other leagues. All of the time they are making statements like this. You don't hear the Spaniards or the Germans constantly brag about how great their league is. Yet every time something happens in the EPL we have to hear over and over again about how it's the best league. This year that's all everyone is talking about, with Leceister winning the league and all, and that's somehow supposed to prove the EPL is the world's best league? That some mediocre team won the league with ease? It was a one-horse race pretty much all season. La Liga, on the other hand, went right down to the final fixture, with three teams in contention. Two of which are playing in the Champions League final. But for some reason, people go on and on about how it's nowhere near as good as the Prem, and we have to hear about it constantly from the pundits and foreign EPL fans. I'll tell you one thing, Leceister would never win La Liga, and I don't think they'd ever qualify for the Champions League, either.


See I actually think they're improving. Ask me 3-4 years ago and I'd say yeah, England as a whole is getting worse and worse. But they've got some real fuckin talent coming through. I mean, Dele Alli looks like he is a future superstar in the making. Harry Kane has now proven last year wasn't a fluke. England has some real quality coming through in the next few years, so I would actually have to say it looks like things are improving for them.
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TheTruth
Post #220
Saturday May 21, 2016 12:20am

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
You guys can't count it against Spain that they have 2 great teams every year. Not that these poor guys need to play more games, but it would be great to have the EPL vs. La Liga Challenge (a la ACC/Big10 in basketball).

And EPL is always going to be at or near the top. Sure, it's slightly down over the last few years, but player salaries are the highest, right? And I don't see that changing.

dunlopp9987
Post #221
Saturday May 28, 2016 10:36pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,564
Hate seeing Real win. Pepe is a piece of trash. Was writhing around on the ground after Carrasco grazed his face. And then he peeks up at the ref. Fucking disgraceful.
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admsghs27
Post #222
Saturday May 28, 2016 10:49pm

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Yeah i hate that about pepe but he isn't the only one to do that but at the end of the day real Madrid deserved to win. Feel bad for athletico they deserve a Euro title also but sometimes soccer is a cruel sport Holland is a good example as well as the bills in football.

dunlopp9987
Post #223
Saturday May 28, 2016 11:06pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,564
Original post from admsghs27

Yeah i hate that about pepe but he isn't the only one to do that but at the end of the day real Madrid deserved to win. Feel bad for athletico they deserve a Euro title also but sometimes soccer is a cruel sport Holland is a good example as well as the bills in football.


Except the Bills definitely don't deserve a super bowl, haha. Maaaaaybe you could make a case for them deserving one in the early 90's, but they haven't earned one in the last 25 years or so.
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admsghs27
Post #224
Saturday May 28, 2016 11:41pm

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I meant teams that were in their golden era's a highly doubt Athletico will make a Final anytime soon i give it 20+ years. But yeah i think Cholo Simeone will go to another big club and be the highest paid coach in Europe maybe the world. Amazing job he has done after losing stars after stars after stars. But also gotta give it to Zidane he turned that team around thought he would be like a Maradona but has proven critics wrong so far would be interesting to watch him next season because Real would be the favorites to win la liga next season and make another run at Champs league.

admsghs27
Post #225
Saturday May 28, 2016 11:43pm

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Total Posts: 6,060
Saying that i think a dark horse to make the final next year and even possibly win it is Sevilla. A sleeper to watch. Could be the leicester of champs league lol well kinda.

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