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admsghs27
Post #1
Thursday December 12, 2013 2:52am

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Congratulations for winning their first copa sudamericana, and only their 2nd trophy in club History. I always thought he should of been the head coach for Columbus crew. I'm sure Big clubs around Europe will try to get him now.
First Argentine club to win the competition since Independiente did in 2010.
Amazing scenes in Lanus barros what an amazing job.

dolcem
Post #2
Thursday December 12, 2013 8:20am

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FC Dallas is interested in him apparently but is backing out because of the release clause. Frankly coming to coach in the MLS would be a huge step down for him so I wouldn't see him doing it even if they would pay the money. But yeah, I really hope he gets involved with US soccer some day, we need people like him who come from cultures that really understand the game in the right way (like Argentina) to come and help develop the sport in the US. Of course these have to be people familiar with our system, and there aren't many of those, but he is because of his time with the Crew.
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Thursday December 12, 2013 9:26am

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Glad to see.. Yo soy grande fanatico de estudiantes de la.plata, boca, argentinos jt por marado.marado maradona..... Riquelme excellent... He should be the biggest dp in mls..

recycledhumans
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Post #4
Thursday December 12, 2013 3:10pm

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Original post from dolcem

FC Dallas is interested in him apparently but is backing out because of the release clause. Frankly coming to coach in the MLS would be a huge step down for him so I wouldn't see him doing it even if they would pay the money. But yeah, I really hope he gets involved with US soccer some day, we need people like him who come from cultures that really understand the game in the right way (like Argentina) to come and help develop the sport in the US. Of course these have to be people familiar with our system, and there aren't many of those, but he is because of his time with the Crew.


Not sure dude, with the prospects coming up, our good draft position and the money to bring in and pay one or two new DPs, FCD would be a good place to hang out until the bigger club he wants comes along. Season or two at the most and gives both parties the time to contemplate their long term futures.

dolcem
Post #5
Monday December 16, 2013 7:27am

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Original post from admsghs27

Glad to see.. Yo soy grande fanatico de estudiantes de la.plata, boca, argentinos jt por marado.marado maradona..... Riquelme excellent... He should be the biggest dp in mls..


My wildest dream for the MLS to sign Riquelme and bring in an Argentine coach to try and bring in an attractive style of soccer. What we lack are creative, exciting players, guys that can make a highlight reel. Players that are fun to watch. Because American players tend to have strengths in other areas (athleticism), we don't get these types of players (yes, Adu was one as a kid but unfortunately never turned out). The MLS' style of play, while getting better, has certainly never been pretty, and lacks these types of players.

The ideal type of player you want, a creative attacking player that can make the players around him better and play awesome soccer, is the #10. There will never be another Riquelme, there aren't players like him any more. This guy was the last true #10 and possibly the best #10 since the days of Bochini and Maradona.

As of very recently was a great player (dominating south american soccer well into his thirties) because he was never that fast to begin with, so aging didn't have as much of an effect on him.

A season ago, while he was still very good (just has had injury problems recently), he was going to the MLS with Carlos Bianchi, one of the most successful Argentine coaches of the era. The Argentines know how to coach this type of style better than anyone and a group of MLS players could get it from a master. Alongside one of the best players of the era. This was literally the best signing the MLS could have possibly made (Kaka or Ronaldinho too).

But right at the last minute, Boca Juniors fired its coach and hired Bianchi and they decided to keep Riquelme.

I've never been so heartbroken over anything involving the MLS before. Could have been an historic signing. Of course it could have flopped too but it would've been the best possible shot at the MLS getting something like that.

Probably produced some of the best youtube highlight reels of any athlete ever. This isn't the best Riquelme one (couldn't fine it) but you get the idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzoRkTRP7Cc
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dolcem
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Monday December 16, 2013 7:53am

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Original post from recycledhumans

Not sure dude, with the prospects coming up, our good draft position and the money to bring in and pay one or two new DPs, FCD would be a good place to hang out until the bigger club he wants comes along. Season or two at the most and gives both parties the time to contemplate their long term futures.


Are we seriously comparing FC Dallas to Lanus, one of the most consistent teams in the Argentine league (definitely top 10 league, I would say 7th best)? Which league is a better league? Which sends more players and managers abroad? And of course, the only thing that matters, coaching in which league would make it easier to get signed by a European team? How many European teams sign coaches out of the Argentine league? How many European teams sign coaches out of the MLS?

Schelotto is a young, rising manager who will probably go to Boca Juniors next (where he was a legend as a player), and if he does well there he will make the move to Europe. I don't think FC Dallas is on his radar.

But he would make a lot more money in the MLS (Argentine economy hasn't been good in decades). There is that. If the MLS landed that, it would be a massive coup. I doubt it would happen, the eventual money in Europe would have to be on his mind (and staying in Argentina would be a much better stepping stone to Europe). On the other hand, maybe he thinks he can take a break from Argentina for a bit to make some cash. South Americans do this more and more because they know there is so much more money to be made in soccer abroad than at home. Argentines now leave to go play in much lower quality leagues (especially Russian and Ukrainian leagues) and you get people like Lucas Barrios. So yeah, if that happened for us (which I doubt) I would be thrilled. Especially if it was a Schelotto Riquelme combo.
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tjsoccer93
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Post #7
Tuesday December 17, 2013 7:33am

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Original post from dolcem

Are we seriously comparing FC Dallas to Lanus, one of the most consistent teams in the Argentine league (definitely top 10 league, I would say 7th best)? Which league is a better league? Which sends more players and managers abroad? And of course, the only thing that matters, coaching in which league would make it easier to get signed by a European team? How many European teams sign coaches out of the Argentine league? How many European teams sign coaches out of the MLS?



whoa man mls is better than argentine league. in the americas, brazil is the best, then mexico, then mls. then the chilean league. that's because those countries are so poor that it pays more to be in the mls and the best players come here. we get the top players from the argentine league because the money is better. on my team we had schelotto for a couple years and now we got this higuain guy. great players. and now hopefully this riquelme guy will come, that'd be SICK!!!!! that youtube reel should be on espn or something. he'd be our first BALLER to come here, none of these beckham and keane guys...we need less john stockton and we need more IVERSON. mls has to buy players that play JOGA BONITA.

admsghs27
Post #8
Tuesday December 17, 2013 8:10am

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Soccer wise/talent and prospects Argentine league is better than mls.
I would say that the brazilian league is better than epl soccer talent prospect wise, but epl is of course known by names, bussiness wise, promotional. Same is mls in business $ wise in all America, doesnt mean their the best in soccer.

tjsoccer93
Columbus, OH
Post #9
Tuesday December 17, 2013 8:31am

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Original post from admsghs27

Soccer wise/talent and prospects Argentine league is better than mls.
I would say that the brazilian league is better than epl soccer talent prospect wise, but epl is of course known by names, bussiness wise, promotional. Same is mls in business $ wise in all America, doesnt mean their the best in soccer.


agree with some of that but not all of that. and mls teams would beat argentine teams, that's my point. and as far as prospects go look at all these american players that are going right to play in the epl from the mls? players for the argentine usually can't make it right into the epl. they have to go to spain or italy first, which are inferior leagues.

all i know is that brazil plays JOGA BONITA. and we need to bring in some of those players to the mls. we need guys that make HIGHLIGHTS and show up on the sportscenter top 10. that's how we get people to watch soccer. we need that riquelme guy and we definitely need ronaldinho. our best athletes are in the projects, who do you think they relate to more, ronaldinho or david beckham? how? about klye beckerman? brad davis? or do you think they like lebron james more? or randy moss? if you want them to play soccer make it hip hop. get them in music videos or get rappers to go to mls games or some shit. and that means making the kind of stuff that shows up in and1. like that riquelme video. like what ronaldinho or kaka would do if they came to the mls. of course we want the john stockton types too but on a soccer team there are 10 guys (plus the goalie), so that's room for two point guards. and you'd want an iverson AND a stockton. and then a dwight howard and a john wall. adu is or iverson, our riquelme.

admsghs27
Post #10
Tuesday December 17, 2013 8:54am

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Argentine league sends maybe 50xs more players abroad than mls each year. And in all the top 10 leagues world wide including mls.

recycledhumans
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Post #11
Tuesday December 17, 2013 3:31pm

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Totally agree admsghs, I defended TJ's right to say something stupid/uninformed on another thread a minute ago, but "MLS is better than Argentine league" ?? You're smoking crack, son.

And to answer dolcem, no I don't think FCD is better than Lanus, but are we in a better position to have the next manager turn us around with relative ease by selling the old guys and giving the younger guys a chance to prove themselves? Absolutely.

We haven't spent much if any of our Shea money, I am expecting at least one relatively big DP signing. Our academy is arguably the best in the country, I think we'll be seeing at least a handful of Homegrown signings in the 18 months to two years.

FCD would be a nice little pit stop for someone on the road to a top or second tier league. Two years here and you've taken a team that didn't make the playoffs following an epic midseason collapse to a team that should be a title contender will look good on the resume right behind his time at Lanus.

2tone
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Post #12
Tuesday December 17, 2013 4:57pm

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I will say this the Argentine league is not what it was even 10 years ago. The league is being drained of talent. The league is very watered down.

While MLS has gotten better year in and year out for the past 10 tears. MLS has more potential going forward.

dolcem
Post #13
Wednesday December 18, 2013 10:46am

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Original post from 2tone

I will say this the Argentine league is not what it was even 10 years ago. The league is being drained of talent. The league is very watered down.

While MLS has gotten better year in and year out for the past 10 tears. MLS has more potential going forward.


While this is true, let's not forget how good the Argentine league still is. It's definitely a top ten league, and I would say it's the seventh best (the big five of Europe followed by Brazil and then the Argentine league). The Dutch and Portuguese leagues are really top heavy and don't even have twenty teams. The Argentine league has as much depth and parity as any league in the world. You have new teams challenging for the title every season and the top teams frequently find themselves having a bad season out of nowhere. And of course traditional big teams like Independiente, Racing, and San Lorenzo, to a lesser extent, aren't really big teams anymore (they have a good fan base but aren't consistently successful). Point is though even if the top Dutch and Portuguese teams are better than all the Argentine teams, top to bottom the Argentine league is definitely better. I think the bigger population helps; naturally they will have a larger pool from which to draw and the exports (and there are lots of Argentine exports) don't hurt the league quite as they do to the Dutch and Portuguese (who have to rely on a lot of foreign players to fill the gaps). Obviously population is a small part of the equation (culture is much more important) but I think it makes the difference in this case.

My point is that the gap is still big, even if it's shrinking. Federico Higuain played for Independiente (my team) and I have seen him play many times (a few times live, too) and I can tell you that he was an Argentine league reject. Naturally talented but could not hack it at any Primera club. It was only a couple of years ago that a 38 year old Schelotto was by far the best player in the league.

Not trying to shit on MLS, I just find that Americans really underrate the Argentine league for some reason.
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Wednesday December 18, 2013 3:44pm

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Dude, just go back and watch MLS games from 17 years ago and you can spank it to Valderrama, El Diablo, Cienfuegos, etc. Hell, let's bring Adu back too.


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