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MSantoine
Post #91
Monday December 16, 2013 9:38pm

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Original post from USnLFCfan

Arsenal is only the top team because of the schedule....City is the best in the league. I guess an EPL team has to win the CL for EPL to get respect....even though the other two leagues are extremely top heavy. La Liga-3 clubs and Bundesliga-2 clubs. Chelsea spanked Schalke 6-0 in two games, Arsenal split with Dortmund, City split with Bayern, United beat Leverkusen 9-2 in two matches and won & drew with Real Sociedad....but yeah EPL is over-rated.


Even when that happens people say it was a fluky year. Chelsea won two years ago over supposed power house bayern and everyone just says how it was a fluke and bundesliga is tops.

bbakerxyz
Post #92
Monday December 16, 2013 9:44pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Not to encourage some of the retarded comments about the importance of physical attributes in sport, but to add something not mentioned. . . endurance.

Lando had more endurance/stamina than anyone else in the USMNT pool. He was always the most fit guy in the room. Look at his runs late in the game. Think about the game against Italy in the 2006 WC when there were only 19 guys on the field - the dude was insane. Same in 2010.

MB90 might be the most fit guy in the room now (hence, the nickname), but he still doesn't match Lando at his peak in terms of fitness.

If Adu was interested in fitness he'd probably on his way to the WC right now (but who knows, maybe the poor SOB just has low lung capacity).

navi8132
Post #93
Monday December 16, 2013 9:46pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Might as well just rename this thread to "Defend/Attack Freddy Adu" now. It's all over for "January Camp 2014."

Jzaval01
Post #94
Monday December 16, 2013 9:58pm

Joined May 2013
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Original post from USnLFCfan

Arsenal is only the top team because of the schedule....City is the best in the league. I guess an EPL team has to win the CL for EPL to get respect....even though the other two leagues are extremely top heavy. La Liga-3 clubs and Bundesliga-2 clubs. Chelsea spanked Schalke 6-0 in two games, Arsenal split with Dortmund, City split with Bayern, United beat Leverkusen 9-2 in two matches and won & drew with Real Sociedad....but yeah EPL is over-rated.


Chelsea lost to Basel... twice heck Man Utd got eliminated by them in CL
Bayern and BVB still won their groups after all the injuries they have... also take into consideration that BVB has lost key players like Gotze
Magala a "weak" team because they arent Barcelona or Madrid made a longer run in CL than an enlgish team last season.
Atletico Madrid had Falcao rip Chelsea a new one in Europa League final.
But that not an excuse "schedule". I mean City had SUnderland. I mean you have to agree Sunderland is terrible and a city team that has the like of Yaya, Aguero, Kompany etc etc lost? When Arsenal took care of their business when they had to on the road. Arsenal is the best away and home team in combines results at the moment. Unlike City, Arsenal took care of SUnderland in the Stadium of light.
Sociedad was terrible yes but it was their first CCL in a long time if ever. I remember BVB was terrible when they made it back to CCL and now? They are top teams.
Now Europa League:
Valencia finished over Swansea City in Group A
Sevilla won their group and Betis qualified
Spurs only English team to win their group and Eintracht for Ger
So there are 3 Eng/4 3/3 Spanish and 1/3 Ger - but just like England all 4 Ger teams made it to CL R16
Now let me ask you this would you bet for Arsenal or CIty to beat Bayern and Barcelona Respectively? Because I sure wouldnt. Because for a reason they are the underdogs. Even though it is football anything can happen but on paper that how it looks.
But regardless just a neutrals point of view here.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #95
Monday December 16, 2013 10:06pm

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But Chelsea manhandled one of the top teams from the leagues you are praising. Every team has injuries....Dortmund won on GD against Arsenal who have injuries of their own. Teams drop games that they shouldn't....happens every year to all big clubs. As far as the rest....excuses excuses...you seem to make them for everyone but EPL teams. Seems far from neutral.

Jzaval01
Post #96
Monday December 16, 2013 10:31pm

Joined May 2013
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Original post from USnLFCfan

But Chelsea manhandled one of the top teams from the leagues you are praising. Every team has injuries....Dortmund won on GD against Arsenal who have injuries of their own. Teams drop games that they shouldn't....happens every year to all big clubs. As far as the rest....excuses excuses...you seem to make them for everyone but EPL teams. Seems far from neutral.

Not praising anyone just stating anything facts. Yea GD that seems like an excuse. Dortmund are struggling and still topped a more refined Arsenal. But again Arsenal were a goal away from being eliminated. Final Conclusion there is no "better" or "best" league

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #97
Monday December 16, 2013 11:05pm

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Only to you....only to you.

Jzaval01
Post #98
Monday December 16, 2013 11:44pm

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Original post from USnLFCfan

Only to you....only to you.

Nah there a lot of people who admit the facts.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #99
Tuesday December 17, 2013 5:26am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Jzaval01

Nah there a lot of people who admit the facts.


Those aren't facts, as you said those are a "neutral's" point of view.....when has that become facts.

tjsoccer93
Columbus, OH
Post #100
Tuesday December 17, 2013 6:33am

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 31
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Speed...of course a great asset to have. But you have to be technically developed for it to mean anything.

Think of a young minor league pitcher who can throw 100mph. He more than likely eats up the minor league levels, but if he doesnt develop a second & third pitch, both usually offspeed, he'll get lit up in the majors, because they all can hit a straight 100mph fastball.

The same applies in soccer. Guys like EJ and Findley can get by on the "minor league" level of soccer, but fall woefully short in the "majors" because they have no real technical soccer skills.


if you get a group of fast guys together than you have a fast TEAM and that's when you start causing damage. look at our best teams in the past. they were FAST. remember that time we beat spain? we're not as good as them but if we pick the right players we are FASTER and STRONGER. that is how we could beat portugal (germany will be tough because they are big and fast too). also, i don't buy the argument that our players don't have technical skills...the problem is jurgen is an IDIOT who doesn't pick the right players. i mean look at adu and gatt...speedy technical players who would be great for us and he doesn't pick them.

Original post from Live490

Because scoring 57 goals with the USA and 135+ in the MLS doesn't prove you can score goals.. Donovan is faster physically and like 10x mentally than Wondo.. He can also play anywhere up top..


FACT. wondo has one more mls golden boots than donovan. donovan has more goals because he has played more games. wondo is a better scorer. now don't get me wrong, i have so much respect for landon but he is getting past it now and isn't a starter for us anymore. of course in his prime he was better than wondolowski (you have to factor assists into account, too) and maybe he still is but he is slow now and i'd rather have wondo up top because he is more of a goal scorer. when you watch him play you can just tell he has that striker's instinct. he is hungry for goals. which player in the 2012 mls all star game did john terry struggle with the most? not landon. it was wondolowski.

i don't want to turn this into a landon vs. wondo debate but the point is klinsmann has not given wondo nearly enough chances. and when wondo does play he scores tons of goals...clearly klinsmann is an idiot.

Original post from ktbffhTXac

^^This 100x. We have the best athletes in the world and are just now getting better with the development and molding of that athletic ability. Speed means nothing if it is not deployed tactically - case in point: how many former track sprinters have turned out to be NFL superstars? Yes they're fast but without the proper training and development (and understanding of how the game is played), that speed is wasted.


well we have some good athletes that aren't being picked by klinsmann. but our problem is our best athletes play other sports. imagine if lebron james was a goalie. kobi bryant and calvin johnson as our strikers. dwight howard as a central defender. we would dominate soccer just like we dominate basketball and football. good athletes=success in any sport, this isn't golf.

Original post from Jzaval01

tjsoccer93 - Are you series!! Barcelona/ Spain have been dominant because they just have been playing that good . Not because "they aren't as tired as epl players because la liga is a JOKE" I dont even where to start with your comments. Fact is EPL tactics have been out done by tactics in Germany and Spain. That is why EPL team last year in UCL failed miserably. Frankly EPL is overrated, its a good league but not the best especially when none of the teams in the EPL are "world class" atm, i used to see Man Utd as top powers but the way they are playing you just cant and cant see Arsenal Man City or Chelsea as the level of Bayern, Barcelona, Real Madrid,PSG Dortmund. Maybe you can make a case for City but seeing as this is the first time in a long time they make it to CCL knockout rounds well tough.
You know why Barcelona got a beat down handed to them? Because Bayern obviously have extremely good players. But Barcelona have done absolutely nothing to revamp their defense. Puyol is up there in ages. Pique is worst and worst each season and Macherano is decent. Not to add that last season they rely on Messi a bit too much and that was the moment he was injured and frankly they didnt play up to snuff. Now no one is saying we should play like spain but no way should we play like an EPL team.

Another thing. Really? use new player 6 months before WC only for intruction to camp but thats it this season? Drop Dempsey and Donovan for speed? Cant take some of these comment seriously. But after 2014 world cup i agree we should def start dropping old people and rebuild for 2018. Drop Jones Beckerman etc etc because they are done after this cycle


are you serious or are you trolling?

EVERYONE knows the epl is by far the best league in the world PERIOD. the bundesliga is a distant second. after that, all of the other leagues are a giant step down (and not that much better than the mls).

bayern beat barcelona because they have SPEED, FITNESS, and STRENGTH. this is what the us should focus on but klinsmann picks all of these slow players like kyle beckerman and brad davis. of course we need to put in our creative guys too (that's what adu, kljestan, bradley, etc. are for) but we could be a well-balanced team, the type of team that could definitely beat spain. beating germany would be tough but i am not at all scared of spain. look at how slow, small, and short they are. those three s's will get you killed against a team like germany or the us (if we had a good coach who picked the right players).

Original post from snipes87

Who is this tj soccer kid and why did his parents let him on the computer?


i was alive when the us had the world cup (born in 93)...you think you're better than me just because you were born six years earlier???

Original post from 2tone

Yep. All opposing national team coaches will say this about the US: Very physical, big, and extremely athletic.

Now the development part is starting to gain traction with the youth teams where those physically and athletically imposing players are now being developed into first rate soccer players. Case in point Haji Wright.


not quite. the problem is that none of the best athletes stick to soccer. i remember at my high school the soccer players were just clearly second-rate athletes, the kids that weren't big or fast enough for football or basketball. the football players picked on us all the time (you got off if you played another sport and luckily i played basketball and football). if we got these kids to continue playing soccer, we would be so much faster, stronger, bigger, and fitter than the other teams and we would win.

Original post from navi8132

Might as well just rename this thread to "Defend/Attack Freddy Adu" now. It's all over for "January Camp 2014."


if adu doesn't get a call-up to the january training camp than klinsmann will go down as the worst coach in the history of the us. and i've noticed that on this forum there aren't many people here who think he is one of our key players...that is ridiculous. anyone that doesn't want freddy on this team clearly has a lot to learn.

Chrisou101
Post #101
Tuesday December 17, 2013 6:37am

Joined Nov 2012
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Atjsoccer93: Adu deserves to be in January camp? really? Until he gets consistent playing time for his club then he'll get called.

tjsoccer93
Columbus, OH
Post #102
Tuesday December 17, 2013 7:10am

Joined Dec 2013
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Original post from Chrisou101

Atjsoccer93: Adu deserves to be in January camp? really? Until he gets consistent playing time for his club then he'll get called.


name one player on our team with his offensive skills. name one offensive player who has consistently dominated while in a us jersey (aside from donovan, dempsey, bradley). the reason adu is up there with those guys is because he hasn't been played. he just hasn't found the right club team, he needs to find one that needs a #10 and lets him play there (and he has gotten pt at teams like benfica and played well at aris in greece, he is good enough for some good teams out there). but all that matters is how be plays for the NATIONAL TEAM and every time he plays there he does well. remember against spain in 09? mexico in 11? all his youth national team games, where he dominated at youth world cups against players like aguero? he plays well for us, let the kid play. and he is the most naturally talented player we've ever had (aside from michael bradley, of course). and once he does play, he will dominate. this was one of the most talented prodigies ever. he's like williams gates but he ended up goin pro and is already halfway there. he'll start ballin if you play him.

dunlopp9987
Post #103
Tuesday December 17, 2013 7:54am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 799
Original post from tjsoccer93

EVERYONE knows the epl is by far the best league in the world PERIOD. the bundesliga is a distant second. after that, all of the other leagues are a giant step down (and not that much better than the mls).


YOU GUYS. I stopped paying attention to this thread and just came back to it, and this is the shit I find? You can't make this up!

First off, there are many, MANY people who would disagree with your first "fact." The EPL has more parity than many other leagues, but if you ask 20 football analysts, I would bet that at least 10-15 would say the Bundesliga is the best league in the world right now. Just because the EPL has the exposure and coverage does not make it "the best." Hence why the CL final last year was played between two German clubs.

And then he has the audacity to tell us that LA LIGA IS JUST BARELY BETTER THAN THE MLS. I mean, you truly can't make this shit up. Give this man a medal.
COYB!!
Chrisou101
Post #104
Tuesday December 17, 2013 8:03am

Joined Nov 2012
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He probably never even watches soccer, just making up BS

admsghs27
Post #105
Tuesday December 17, 2013 8:16am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,733
Wooow at tj soccer epl is arguably not even a top 3 league in the world.. Epl sucks to me is extremely overrated. When they dominate Europe, win champions leagues talk to me... Anyways what doea this have to do with January camp lol.. Cant wait for the camp.is gonna be very competitive since many players want to make a final push for the wc.

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