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Post #76
Monday December 16, 2013 2:37pm

Joined Jun 2012
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Speed...of course a great asset to have. But you have to be technically developed for it to mean anything.

Think of a young minor league pitcher who can throw 100mph. He more than likely eats up the minor league levels, but if he doesnt develop a second & third pitch, both usually offspeed, he'll get lit up in the majors, because they all can hit a straight 100mph fastball.

The same applies in soccer. Guys like EJ and Findley can get by on the "minor league" level of soccer, but fall woefully short in the "majors" because they have no real technical soccer skills.

hamsamwich
Post #77
Monday December 16, 2013 3:43pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
The reason Messi and ronaldo are so good is their speed, especially on the ball.

Here in the U.S., Landon and Beasley have lasted so long due to their speed, whereas prodding Beckerman cant beat out the faster Jones. yes, we all love Jozy, but he lacks that top end speed to get behind and score.

All the high level players are technical, some maybe a little more than others, but speed is a differentiating factor. A regular speed player vs a fast player with the same technical skills, I will take the faster player every time.

Saying a team like Italy is "slow" because they may play tactically is not true.

dstones77
Hagerstown, MD
Post #78
Monday December 16, 2013 3:49pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 216
yo WTF did I miss all weekend.. holy Sh*t lolllllllllllllllllllllllll

bbakerxyz
Post #79
Monday December 16, 2013 5:06pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 237
Yeah, this new guy is fu%King great. Fiesty too so I think he'll keep posting. I don't no where to even begin, but I love the recent comment about that "'technical' Spanish crap" soccer from a national team who's dominance over the last 6 years is unprecedented.

Live490
Texas
Post #80
Monday December 16, 2013 5:57pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,174
Because scoring 57 goals with the USA and 135+ in the MLS doesn't prove you can score goals.. Donovan is faster physically and like 10x mentally than Wondo.. He can also play anywhere up top..

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #81
Monday December 16, 2013 6:01pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,450
The US has and never will have a problem with matching up to teams physically. And this current USMNT is no different.

ktbffhTXac
Post #82
Monday December 16, 2013 6:36pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 124
Original post from 2tone

The US has and never will have a problem with matching up to teams physically. And this current USMNT is no different.


^^This 100x. We have the best athletes in the world and are just now getting better with the development and molding of that athletic ability. Speed means nothing if it is not deployed tactically - case in point: how many former track sprinters have turned out to be NFL superstars? Yes they're fast but without the proper training and development (and understanding of how the game is played), that speed is wasted.

Jzaval01
Post #83
Monday December 16, 2013 6:45pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
tjsoccer93 - Are you series!! Barcelona/ Spain have been dominant because they just have been playing that good . Not because "they aren't as tired as epl players because la liga is a JOKE" I dont even where to start with your comments. Fact is EPL tactics have been out done by tactics in Germany and Spain. That is why EPL team last year in UCL failed miserably. Frankly EPL is overrated, its a good league but not the best especially when none of the teams in the EPL are "world class" atm, i used to see Man Utd as top powers but the way they are playing you just cant and cant see Arsenal Man City or Chelsea as the level of Bayern, Barcelona, Real Madrid,PSG Dortmund. Maybe you can make a case for City but seeing as this is the first time in a long time they make it to CCL knockout rounds well tough.
You know why Barcelona got a beat down handed to them? Because Bayern obviously have extremely good players. But Barcelona have done absolutely nothing to revamp their defense. Puyol is up there in ages. Pique is worst and worst each season and Macherano is decent. Not to add that last season they rely on Messi a bit too much and that was the moment he was injured and frankly they didnt play up to snuff. Now no one is saying we should play like spain but no way should we play like an EPL team.

Another thing. Really? use new player 6 months before WC only for intruction to camp but thats it this season? Drop Dempsey and Donovan for speed? Cant take some of these comment seriously. But after 2014 world cup i agree we should def start dropping old people and rebuild for 2018. Drop Jones Beckerman etc etc because they are done after this cycle

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #84
Monday December 16, 2013 7:57pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 893
Who is this tj soccer kid and why did his parents let him on the computer?
If you don't love it, leave it, USA #1
2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #85
Monday December 16, 2013 7:59pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,450
Original post from ktbffhTXac

^^This 100x. We have the best athletes in the world and are just now getting better with the development and molding of that athletic ability. Speed means nothing if it is not deployed tactically - case in point: how many former track sprinters have turned out to be NFL superstars? Yes they're fast but without the proper training and development (and understanding of how the game is played), that speed is wasted.


Yep. All opposing national team coaches will say this about the US: Very physical, big, and extremely athletic.

Now the development part is starting to gain traction with the youth teams where those physically and athletically imposing players are now being developed into first rate soccer players. Case in point Haji Wright.

hamsamwich
Post #86
Monday December 16, 2013 8:08pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
Original post from 2tone

Yep. All opposing national team coaches will say this about the US: Very physical, big, and extremely athletic.

Now the development part is starting to gain traction with the youth teams where those physically and athletically imposing players are now being developed into first rate soccer players. Case in point Haji Wright.
+1

If there is a country to model ourselves after, look no further than the hosts of the world cup, Brazil. Like a mesh of Germany and Brazil actually. Brazil will feature some incredible athletes at the world cup, with fantastic technical ability.

MSantoine
Post #87
Monday December 16, 2013 8:23pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from Jzaval01

tjsoccer93 - Are you series!! Barcelona/ Spain have been dominant because they just have been playing that good . Not because "they aren't as tired as epl players because la liga is a JOKE" I dont even where to start with your comments. Fact is EPL tactics have been out done by tactics in Germany and Spain. That is why EPL team last year in UCL failed miserably. Frankly EPL is overrated, its a good league but not the best especially when none of the teams in the EPL are "world class" atm, i used to see Man Utd as top powers but the way they are playing you just cant and cant see Arsenal Man City or Chelsea as the level of Bayern, Barcelona, Real Madrid,PSG Dortmund. Maybe you can make a case for City but seeing as this is the first time in a long time they make it to CCL knockout rounds well tough.
You know why Barcelona got a beat down handed to them? Because Bayern obviously have extremely good players. But Barcelona have done absolutely nothing to revamp their defense. Puyol is up there in ages. Pique is worst and worst each season and Macherano is decent. Not to add that last season they rely on Messi a bit too much and that was the moment he was injured and frankly they didnt play up to snuff. Now no one is saying we should play like spain but no way should we play like an EPL team.

Another thing. Really? use new player 6 months before WC only for intruction to camp but thats it this season? Drop Dempsey and Donovan for speed? Cant take some of these comment seriously. But after 2014 world cup i agree we should def start dropping old people and rebuild for 2018. Drop Jones Beckerman etc etc because they are done after this cycle


Talk of the EPL demise is greatly exaggerated. This year they have performed the best so far in UCL/Europa League. Last year, even in a down year, they were just behind Germany and Spain and they still won the Europa league with Chelsea. The year before that Chelsea were the champs. This year all 6 EPL teams in Europe advanced to the knockout stages (Wigan was eliminated but they are in Championship not EPL). The round of 16 will go a long way towards showing if EPL is still the cream of the crop or not as they got an extremely difficult draw and if they take down 2 of Barca, Real, Bayern then I think its safe to say that EPL is not over rated

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #88
Monday December 16, 2013 8:35pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,410
People saying the EPL is over-rated just look at UCL and/or don't watch much football...top to bottom the EPL is still the best league in the world, sure the top-teams are down but they still very very good. In the CL, City split with Bayern and Arsenal split with Dortmund. So yeah the Bundesliga clubs are WAY better than EPL....haha.

Jzaval01
Post #89
Monday December 16, 2013 8:58pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
Original post from MSantoine

Talk of the EPL demise is greatly exaggerated. This year they have performed the best so far in UCL/Europa League. Last year, even in a down year, they were just behind Germany and Spain and they still won the Europa league with Chelsea. The year before that Chelsea were the champs. This year all 6 EPL teams in Europe advanced to the knockout stages (Wigan was eliminated but they are in Championship not EPL). The round of 16 will go a long way towards showing if EPL is still the cream of the crop or not as they got an extremely difficult draw and if they take down 2 of Barca, Real, Bayern then I think its safe to say that EPL is not over rated


I agree if Man City takes down Barcelona then it def proves something. Credit should be given were its due and City have a powerful attack to taken down Barcelona. Especially if Barcelona get no defensive signings. Arsenal i really doubt I mean Bayern get too over confident when they are winning with clarity that they just stop playing.
When you are 3-1 up in first leg its natural to get too confident, or even beating Man City 2-0 at home. Man Utd and Chelsea should be favorites to make it to next round.

Original post from USnLFCfan

People saying the EPL is over-rated just look at UCL and/or don't watch much football...top to bottom the EPL is still the best league in the world, sure the top-teams are down but they still very very good. In the CL, City split with Bayern and Arsenal split with Dortmund. So yeah the Bundesliga clubs are WAY better than EPL....haha.


Watching EPL every week and seeing a team like Sunderland beat Man city yes its competitive but its also a bit mediocre. Or even seeing Arsenal the top team in the EPL get hammered by CIty the way they did. Makes the teams loss credential. Just like the world cup is the best way to measure the teams from each region the UCL is a basically the true world cup for best clubs to measure against the best in other leagues. Another thing and no way am I comparing MLS and EPL but MLS is competitive doesnt make it any better than what it is. Regardless EPL is still a great popular league.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #90
Monday December 16, 2013 9:29pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,410
Arsenal is only the top team because of the schedule....City is the best in the league. I guess an EPL team has to win the CL for EPL to get respect....even though the other two leagues are extremely top heavy. La Liga-3 clubs and Bundesliga-2 clubs. Chelsea spanked Schalke 6-0 in two games, Arsenal split with Dortmund, City split with Bayern, United beat Leverkusen 9-2 in two matches and won & drew with Real Sociedad....but yeah EPL is over-rated.

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