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tjsoccer93
Columbus, OH
Post #61
Sunday December 15, 2013 7:58pm

Joined Dec 2013
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Original post from tjknowsall

tjsoccer93 i dont know if u are trolling or got hit on the head.... i love Rowe, but he is years away from being of donovan or dempsey's level. there is good form and then their is talent and then their is experience. Nothing trumps expierence and dempsey and donovan have fall more talent then rowe... its not even a discussion. Now if u want to comapare beckerman and rowe then i think that makes more sense


i understand where you're coming from, a lot of us are sentimental about donovan and dempsey, but you always have to pick who is doing better right NOW. i don't want someone who was good two years ago, i want who is good now. based on the mls games i watched this season, rowe has surpassed dempsey and probably donovan too. donovan and dempsey aren't as good as they used to be and rowe is a rising star (i see him making big waves in europe soon). you have to pick the best players. that's not fair to rowe to not pick him and just pick donovan and dempsey because they used to be really good. don't get me wrong, i've always been a huge fan of both of them, especially donovan, but we need YOUTH and SPEED.

Chrisou101
Post #62
Sunday December 15, 2013 8:08pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Youth and speed are overrated.

Chrisou101
Post #63
Sunday December 15, 2013 8:12pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Dude, Donovan and dempsey are still better than Rowe.

tjsoccer93
Columbus, OH
Post #64
Sunday December 15, 2013 8:25pm

Joined Dec 2013
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Original post from Chrisou101

Youth and speed are overrated.


FALSE. we need youth and speed more than anything right now. faster teams usually win, the problem is sometimes coaches don't have the balls to call in less recognized, faster players. and we need youth so we can start DEVELOPING talent and get to the next level. we need young, fast players who can dribble, and get them playing together on the NT so they can improve and develop CHEMISTRY. we need a revolution.

Chrisou101
Post #65
Sunday December 15, 2013 9:16pm

Joined Nov 2012
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If faster teams win, wouldn't Jamaica be domination football atm?

Chrisou101
Post #66
Sunday December 15, 2013 9:18pm

Joined Nov 2012
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I love to see young talent being introduced as much as you do, but now replacing our current starters with unproven youngsters will not bode well for the world cup.

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #67
Sunday December 15, 2013 9:19pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 999
Original post from tjsoccer93

FALSE. we need youth and speed more than anything right now. faster teams usually win, the problem is sometimes coaches don't have the balls to call in less recognized, faster players. and we need youth so we can start DEVELOPING talent and get to the next level. we need young, fast players who can dribble, and get them playing together on the NT so they can improve and develop CHEMISTRY. we need a revolution.


Per your theory, we just need 18 -26 year olds in MLS to make it leap over all EU leagues better
Right??

MSantoine
Post #68
Sunday December 15, 2013 10:55pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Not sure if he's actively looking but I'm hoping mixx isn't involved in the camp because he transfers to Belgian or French league. I can't imagine jk isn't telling him if he wants to go to brazil he needs to move outside his comfort zone. Again not sure if his agent is searching out a transfer but I'm keeping my fingers crossed

Live490
Texas
Post #69
Sunday December 15, 2013 11:58pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,175
Fast players? Shit, I'd rather have a player who is faster thinking than 100 meter sprinters. Like Iniesta or Xavi.

Nick4235
Boston, Mass
Post #70
Monday December 16, 2013 1:55am

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 164
Original post from tjsoccer93

FALSE. we need youth and speed more than anything right now. faster teams usually win, the problem is sometimes coaches don't have the balls to call in less recognized, faster players. and we need youth so we can start DEVELOPING talent and get to the next level. we need young, fast players who can dribble, and get them playing together on the NT so they can improve and develop CHEMISTRY. we need a revolution.


You can take your fast players and ill take...

Neure
Ivanovich-Kompany-Hummels-Vertongen
Xavi-Pirlo
Muller--Kroos--Iniesta
RvP

Bshredder
Post #71
Monday December 16, 2013 2:53am

Joined Aug 2011
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Original post from Live490

Fast players? Shit, I'd rather have a player who is faster thinking than 100 meter sprinters. Like Iniesta or Xavi.


Of course

Speed is still an incredible asset. Just because there are incredible players who aren't fast doesn't displace the importance of it on a team as a whole.

Nick4235
Boston, Mass
Post #72
Monday December 16, 2013 2:59am

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 164
Original post from Bshredder

Of course

Speed is still an incredible asset. Just because there are incredible players who aren't fast doesn't displace the importance of it on a team as a whole.


You're right despite my tongue in cheek post of a slow lineup above. I'm a big fan of speed and youth. If I were coaching I would probably bring in more youth than Klinsmann has but then again there's a reason he's coach. I actually think its very important to get more speed in our team because as of right now there is very very little. Sure Donovan's still quick but not as much as he used to be. Jozy has a bit of speed as does Fabian Johnson and Eddie Johnson but but besides that there's not a ton there. I think without a few good speed options we are becoming a bit too one dimensional.

Live490
Texas
Post #73
Monday December 16, 2013 4:32am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,175
2 years ago? Lol you could have switched Donovan with anybody from the pool this summer and none would have done what LTD did. And that was 6-7 months ago.

tjsoccer93
Columbus, OH
Post #74
Monday December 16, 2013 6:06am

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 34
Original post from dfw_fan

Per your theory, we just need 18 -26 year olds in MLS to make it leap over all EU leagues better
Right??


we need young guys on the national team to be coached by a competent coach so they can develop. we need a world class coach, someone like guardiola or mourinho. i bet bruce arenas would love to take charge again. and hey, coach bradley doesn't have a team, at this point i'd rather have him than klinsmann. at least he would experiment and bring in young players.

Original post from Live490

Fast players? Shit, I'd rather have a player who is faster thinking than 100 meter sprinters. Like Iniesta or Xavi.


iniesta is fast. xavi isn't but you can have one or two slower players on your team. anyway xavi is so overrated. all he does is pass the ball sideways and slow down the game.

Original post from Nick4235

You can take your fast players and ill take...

Neure
Ivanovich-Kompany-Hummels-Vertongen
Xavi-Pirlo
Muller-Kroos-Iniesta
RvP


first of all, muller and kroos are really fast so i don't know what you're talking about there.

more importantly, i bet i could take a group of fast, young mls players that would beat that team. as i said before, you can have one or two slower players on your team (especially in defense) but speed is a very undervalued trait. if you put together a team full of really good players who are all slow, it won't work. a team that on the whole is fast but has worse players would probably win. we might not have as much talent as spain or germany but if we pick the right players, we can win with our team speed.

Original post from Bshredder

Of course

Speed is still an incredible asset. Just because there are incredible players who aren't fast doesn't displace the importance of it on a team as a whole.


EXACTLY.

i am so sick of hearing about all of this "technical" spanish soccer crap. spain and barcelona are SO overrated. they're boring to watch because all they do is pass the ball around the defense. and their really not that good. they usually win games with a combination of diving, cheating, and luck (and because they aren't as tired as epl players because la liga is a JOKE). last year we saw that to be true. bayern is WAY better than barcelona because they are much faster. it's not even a contest. and if spain and germany play in the world cup the same thing will happen.

i hear people talking about the need for the us to play like spain but that is a bunch of bull. just because tiki-taka is the fad for a couple years doesn't mean we need to change the way we play our game. our strengths are SPEED, SIZE, and FITNESS. we need to use those to our advantage and play like EPL teams, NOT like spanish teams. i bet in five years time the spanish nt will be mediocre (once teams figure them out a bit) and la liga will be down to only two or three teams qualifying for the champions league (the spanish league on the whole is awful...how many players could any of us name off the top of our heads that play for a spanish team other than real or barcelona?).

Original post from Nick4235

You're right despite my tongue in cheek post of a slow lineup above. I'm a big fan of speed and youth. If I were coaching I would probably bring in more youth than Klinsmann has but then again there's a reason he's coach. I actually think its very important to get more speed in our team because as of right now there is very very little. Sure Donovan's still quick but not as much as he used to be. Jozy has a bit of speed as does Fabian Johnson and Eddie Johnson but but besides that there's not a ton there. I think without a few good speed options we are becoming a bit too one dimensional.


yup. another reason klinsmann needs to go. we don't have enough speed and then rather than look for speedy backups he goes for players like brad davis, brad evans, and kyle beckerman...unbelievable. mls has tons of fast young players who would be way better than those guys so why not bring them to the nt and develop them???? makes NO sense.

Original post from Live490

2 years ago? Lol you could have switched Donovan with anybody from the pool this summer and none would have done what LTD did. And that was 6-7 months ago.


that was against crap concacaf teams. and anyway, at that age you start to slow down really quickly. he already looks a lot worse (playoffs). by next summer he'll be even slower. i'd rather have wondolowski, a proven goal scorer (who scored more goals than donovan this summer btw), or even a fast young guy like gyau.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #75
Monday December 16, 2013 1:55pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 1,016
Was that last post serious?

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