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thisguy2
Inland empire
Post #16
Tuesday November 26, 2013 1:36am

Joined Dec 2012
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Yeah I meant to say Rain nit 2tone
Thisguy2
EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #17
Tuesday November 26, 2013 1:47am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,160
Williams is interesting. He def has the potential. The injuries set him back because he was getting really good minutes for Reading and putting in good performances after the Bosnia friendly.

Williams challenging Beckerman is good for the team and the future. Plus he's 24.

admsghs27
Post #18
Tuesday November 26, 2013 1:53am

Joined Nov 2012
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Rain and 2tone agree with each other lol. Finally some peace. Wheres sacha when u need him.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #19
Tuesday November 26, 2013 2:57am

Joined Nov 2012
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Don't see Clark coming into the fold, neither do I see Edu back in. Williams is the one to watch, JK has always spoken highly of him. IMO, he would be the one DM I would take, as he is more talented than the rest, and would be in his prime in 2018. Bradley, Jones, Mix, Williams, and Kljestan would be my five. I would hope Holden would come back healthy then I would drop either Jones/Kljestan or maybe take all 6.

rainORshine
Post #20
Tuesday November 26, 2013 3:38am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
Original post from thisguy2

@2tone

What?! no, I tend to disagree with you at this point. Edu is MIA and has not played for about a year, or seems like it. Clark now that is just nonsense! Should even be considered! lets just drop him from this conversation!

Im sorry 2tone but again I do disagree with you, you can not assure one of those guys will have a good season. Edu still has not found a club, Clark is nowhere near the US picture.

Deal with it? When was the last time you saw these guys playing for us? huh? exactly man, it's been a long ass time. Look homie you need to relax or "deal with it," in the fact that JK does not see anything with these guys. Don't like the truth than I suggest you go elsewhere with your assumptions.

Not trying to be a dick but you need to correct your attitude before responding on someone else comments.


are you trying to say you dont think beckerman is "in" right now?

if so, you are just ignoring reality

CM starts under JK (top 4)
1) jones - 24
2) bradley - 21
3) beckerman - 16 (9 in 2013)
4) edu - 12

nobody else has more than 6... i completely agree that JK gives the wrong people PT, but obviously he will be bringing an extra DM

if its not kbeck or edu it will be williams, clark or morales

are you saying you disagree with this?

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #21
Tuesday November 26, 2013 3:43am

Joined Nov 2012
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I think he is mainly saying that Clark and Edu won't be taken because they aren't good enough, at least that's what I think.

Jzaval01
Post #22
Tuesday November 26, 2013 4:37am

Joined May 2013
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USnLFCfan I agree with you. I am up to the point with Jones that he should be dropped if Holden comes back.

William - atm he is just speculation. How he will look for 2014 we will have to wait. At least he has a club to play in and get into the rhythm.
Edu - Needs new club, needs to adjust quickly and start ripping apart competition for any consideration.
Rico Clark - no matter what he does he is done like I said before.
Beckerman - Depends what we have available to us in 2014. Solid option to replace any injury in world cup if needed back up.
Kljestan - in my option has not been giving that fair chance in cm at least in this friendlies. Maybe JK just doesnt rate him next to Bradley.
Mix - At his form atm he is my second for sure choice. Hope he keeps it up.

Only Bradley at this point is for sure to Brazil.

Tough to rate alot of the other option DM because if you guys recall we used a 3 DM system that did absolutely nothing for us. But we have to admit some guys are favored over other thats for sure.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #23
Tuesday November 26, 2013 7:38am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,518
Tough call on Williams. He'd be a pure destroyer, but you still need a destroyer who makes sound decisions with the ball... someone that can scrape it off the attacker and have some comfort level on the ball to then make a nice pressure relief pass. Anyone playing that close to the back line has to be trusted to not turn over the ball cheaply. I don't know if Williams has enough savvy and experience to handle that roll yet.

I'm not going to bet against Stu getting back in the conversation, but If he can't make it, then I would still take Cameron over any of the other Dmid options.

Still, MB is going to be glued to the back line at the WC. He's not going anywhere unless we're down and chasing the game. Probably look more like twin 6s than a 6 and an 8.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #24
Tuesday November 26, 2013 5:17pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 1,016
Am I the only one getting depressed reading this debate? I mean, seriously, you guys are discussing Clark, Beckerman, Edu, and Williams. Guhhhh.

navi8132
New York
Post #25
Tuesday November 26, 2013 5:30pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,122
If Bradley truly ends up being like a 6 during the world cup games, then we will only be relying on counter attacks to score. Because without bradley linking to the offense, we are not getting an attack going (in general, sure exceptions will occur).

Tiger
Post #26
Tuesday November 26, 2013 5:36pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 94
@ navi. Well said re if Bradley has to primarily fill a 6 role, it will have a real and pronounced stifling effect on our attack.

camparkinson
Post #27
Tuesday November 26, 2013 6:04pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 334
We really need Osvaldo Alonso, he'd answer all of these problems. Imagine the freedom he'd provide Bradley... if only

Tiger
Post #28
Tuesday November 26, 2013 6:13pm

Joined Jul 2013
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@ camparkinson. Strongly agree. For more regarding Alonso, check the Bradley/Jones thread and discussion.

dolcem
Post #29
Tuesday November 26, 2013 8:20pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
Original post from navi8132

If Bradley truly ends up being like a 6 during the world cup games, then we will only be relying on counter attacks to score. Because without bradley linking to the offense, we are not getting an attack going (in general, sure exceptions will occur).


Most people (especially the media) would agree with you but I'm going to go against the grain and admit that I completely disagree with this. We were missing Bradley for most of 2013 and played some of the best positive, attacking soccer we have ever played. I'm not going to use rain stats and say that means we need to bench Bradley (he's obviously our best field player) but the notion that we can't attacking without him is absurd, especially considering we have three attacking mids and a striker playing ahead of him. As a CM his job is to link the defense and those attacking players. He's supposed to put in his shift, not carry an attack. That is, unless, of course, we play him as a #10. Some teams actually do this: put a bruiser #8 box-to-box mid as the #10 in a 4-5-1 (City have done it a lot, for example). Klinsmann tried it once and I don't think it'd work for us. But hey, if you want Bradley in the attack, we should try it. But I digress. The point is despite our utter lack of halfway decent attacking mids, we can attack without him. And perhaps more importantly, all positions are created equal. If Bradley absolutely bosses it as a #6 (which he can do), that helps the team just as much as if he were in the attack. I think people's love of Bradley sometimes blinds them to this.
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Jzaval01
Post #30
Tuesday November 26, 2013 8:34pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
Original post from dolcem

Most people (especially the media) would agree with you but I'm going to go against the grain and admit that I completely disagree with this. We were missing Bradley for most of 2013 and played some of the best positive, attacking soccer we have ever played. I'm not going to use rain stats and say that means we need to bench Bradley (he's obviously our best field player) but the notion that we can't attacking without him is absurd, especially considering we have three attacking mids and a striker playing ahead of him. As a CM his job is to link the defense and those attacking players. He's supposed to put in his shift, not carry an attack. That is, unless, of course, we play him as a #10. Some teams actually do this: put a bruiser #8 box-to-box mid as the #10 in a 4-5-1 (City have done it a lot, for example). Klinsmann tried it once and I don't think it'd work for us. But hey, if you want Bradley in the attack, we should try it. But I digress. The point is despite our utter lack of halfway decent attacking mids, we can attack without him. And perhaps more importantly, all positions are created equal. If Bradley absolutely bosses it as a #6 (which he can do), that helps the team just as much as if he were in the attack. I think people's love of Bradley sometimes blinds them to this.


I think many of think that without Bradley we cant attack because he has always missed in the most critical times. For example the game against Costa Rica away. He got injure right before the match and we ere absolutely dominated in the midfield. But yes we werent ready for such event. Anyways if we see games like Gold Cup we can create alot of chances with Bradley if we are prepared but Bradley number 1 CM

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