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Dimo
Post #106
Friday March 14, 2014 4:47pm

Joined Nov 2013
Total Posts: 277
I'm pretty sure that we would all like to see Cameron at RB. But when you really look at it, he's needed at cb. If we play Cam at RB then guess who starts vs some of the best attacking talent in the world. Omar Gonzalez. Quite a few posters on here were still defending Gonzo up until recently. But just in case there are still any skeptics out there I did a round up of who was to blame for each goal scored in 2013 when playing with close to a full strength side.

USMNT vs Honduras - Gonzo to blame for both goals
USMNT vs Jamaica - Gonzo
USMNT vs Costa Rica - The whole team was outplayed. Multiple culprits
USMNT vs Belgium - Cameron and Gonzo ball watching for the first, Gonzo responsible for the second, Boyd with a bad give away and Gonzo losing his marker for the third, and Jones for the fourth. Let it be known that Cameron made up for his error with a goal.
USMNT vs Germany - Gonzo for the first, Gonzo for the second, and Castillo, Evans and Gonzo for the third.
Usmnt vs Bosnia - EJ with a bad give away and Evans, Brooks, Cameron all ball watching for the first. The second goal was offsides and Brooks was fouled. The third goal was Brooks.

From my count that is 9 goals allowed because of an error by Gonzo. Keep in mind that he didn't even play vs Bosnia. What exactly is the use in having him start for the Nats? His height? He doesn't know how to use it. He hasn't scored for us when coming up from the back. Neither has Besler but he pulls his own weight on the other end of the pitch. There is no reason Gonzo should start for the USMNT. He is a liability with little upsides. Slot in Cameron and put either Fabian or Chandler at RB. Its looking more and more likely that JK is starting Beasley at LB anyway. I'd rather have 1 weak spot than 2. If i had it my way I'd line our back line up like this:

FJ-Besler-Cameron-Chandler

admsghs27
Post #107
Friday March 14, 2014 4:59pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Vs Honduras Cameron was at fault for 1 goal and partly to blame for the 2nd. vs Jamaica ? The goal was a free kick. And he is not good at cb, besler and gonzo estill better than him we've seen him there and he is not good. His best position is dm obviously dimo hasn't watched the games. Would not be surprised if he is on the bench for the wc because klissman might go with Evans.

Dimo
Post #108
Friday March 14, 2014 5:05pm

Joined Nov 2013
Total Posts: 277
Original post from admsghs27

Vs Honduras Cameron was at fault for 1 goal and partly to blame for the 2nd. vs Jamaica ? The goal was a free kick. And he is not good at cb, besler and gonzo estill better than him we've seen him there and he is not good. His best position is dm obviously dimo hasn't watched the games. Would not be surprised if he is on the bench for the wc because klissman might go with Evans.


I have watched and rewatched every game the USMNT has played in the past 5 years. You're wrong about the Honduras game. Go back and watch. For the first goal Gonzo made a half ass clearance which allowed them to cross the ball back in. For the second goal Cameron was trying to stay with his man while Gonzo let his go right by him and score an open goal.

admsghs27
Post #109
Friday March 14, 2014 5:49pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
You forget chandler was the worse player in the backline that day.

Xtratime3
Rio de Janeiro
Post #110
Friday March 14, 2014 5:49pm

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 11
I agree with Dimo and have so posted in my previous forum til I'm blue in the face. When Gonzerror's defenders came to his aid I posted videos of disasters and they couldn't come up with anything in Gonzerror's defense. Videos included the goals he gave to Germany and Honduras, plus is Galaxy errors against Juventus and twice Sounders, and another MLS game in which he is literally left holding his manhood in his hand as the attacker slips by him effortlessly. Journalists have documented his errors against Honduras so that is a fact - non contendere, gentlemen. His best position is the bench and Cameron is needed at CB. Cameron can pass the ball, where Gonzerror is only good when it lands on his head and he clears it since much of the time he has poor positioning.
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #111
Friday March 14, 2014 5:50pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,606
Hard to put Chandler as a starter right now. We will have to wait and see if he regains full fitness, and if Klinsmann takes a flier on him. Right now I still have Cameron as the starting RB in the WC.

Also you have to think Yedlin and Parkhurst will make pushes. I foresee both of them getting called up in April for the Mexico friendly.

Here is my defender call up for that Mexico friendly:

Defense: Parkhurst, Yedlin, Goodson, Gonzo, Besler, Castillo, Klute

Other potentials: Sinovic, Garza, Hedges, Opara, Okugo, S. Williams

cudevil
Post #112
Friday March 14, 2014 5:51pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,168
I know rain wants a Goodson/Gonzo pairing. I like the Goodson idea, but not in place of Besler. Gonzo has had a major gaffe in every game I've watched him play. If he's being punished for his errors against CONCACAF teams, I really don't want to see what Ghana, Germany and Portugal would do.

Dimo
Post #113
Friday March 14, 2014 6:34pm

Joined Nov 2013
Total Posts: 277
Original post from 2tone

Hard to put Chandler as a starter right now. We will have to wait and see if he regains full fitness, and if Klinsmann takes a flier on him. Right now I still have Cameron as the starting RB in the WC.

Also you have to think Yedlin and Parkhurst will make pushes. I foresee both of them getting called up in April for the Mexico friendly.

Here is my defender call up for that Mexico friendly:

Defense: Parkhurst, Yedlin, Goodson, Gonzo, Besler, Castillo, Klute

Other potentials: Sinovic, Garza, Hedges, Opara, Okugo, S. Williams


I hear what you're saying with chandler but as I stated above, fabian can play rb seeing as jk will most likely start Beasley at lb

navi8132
New York
Post #114
Friday March 14, 2014 6:48pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,122
Goodson-Besler is best.

admsghs27
Post #115
Friday March 14, 2014 8:18pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
We still haven't seen goodson play this season yet he might fall off the depth chart or even move up. pole say our CBs/defence is the weakest position but actually statistically 2013 was the best ever. I think our wings is the weakest. We have 0 true wingers. Just guys out of position.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #116
Friday March 14, 2014 9:05pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,606
I agree that the weakest is winger. I have been saying that for a few months now.

For some reason people dismiss the fact that the 2013 defense was good, and better than the 2009 defense statistically. Onyewu, Demerit, and Bocanegra let in more goals during the 2009 HEX than the 2013 HEX defense did.

Dimo
Post #117
Friday March 14, 2014 10:04pm

Joined Nov 2013
Total Posts: 277
We defended better as a unit and our overall style of play has been better. Its not a testament to our CB's being stronger. And I would wager that the goals allowed in 09 were not caused by one player's errors. Besler has been great. Gonzo is a problem that not enough people are willing to see.

admsghs27
Post #118
Friday March 14, 2014 10:49pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Original post from Dimo

We defended better as a unit and our overall style of play has been better. Its not a testament to our CB's being stronger. And I would wager that the goals allowed in 09 were not caused by one player's errors. Besler has been great. Gonzo is a problem that not enough people are willing to see.

Maybe Cameron has been the problem all along. Everytime he plays on defense we allow multiple goals. Evans has actually been a better player than him with the mnt. I would bet if he has a good performance vs Mexico he will start at RB the next game.

Dimo
Post #119
Friday March 14, 2014 11:31pm

Joined Nov 2013
Total Posts: 277
Original post from admsghs27

Maybe Cameron has been the problem all along. Everytime he plays on defense we allow multiple goals. Evans has actually been a better player than him with the mnt. I would bet if he has a good performance vs Mexico he will start at RB the next game.


As usual this is is gibberish.

dunlopp9987
Post #120
Friday March 14, 2014 11:52pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,647
Original post from admsghs27

Maybe Cameron has been the problem all along. Everytime he plays on defense we allow multiple goals. Evans has actually been a better player than him with the mnt. I would bet if he has a good performance vs Mexico he will start at RB the next game.


Were you watching the Austria match?? Cam was the best player on the pitch. Did his job defensively, and got forward very effectively as well. Brad Evans showed against South Korea (let me repeat that: SOUTH KOREA) that he has no business being near the starting XI. Or Brazil, for that matter. It's a joke that he's even in consideration.

Geoff Cameron has arguably been the best Yank playing abroad this season (AJ is another). He needs to be in the starting XI. Plain and simple.
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