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Xtratime3
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Post #166
Monday March 24, 2014 12:02pm

Joined Jan 2014
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Original post from USnLFCfan

Of course not, I don't get this theory that just because we are America we should be on par with the powerhouses. They all have had successful domestic leagues for 90+ more years than the US and not to mention being the number 1 sport from birth to death....not in the US. Just because the population is bigger doesn't mean we can match those powerhouses......don't have the infrastructure in place those do, don't have the qualified coaches at all levels that those do, etc etc. I don't have America/MLS blinders on, it's a long way coming.
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Xtratime3
Rio de Janeiro
Post #167
Monday March 24, 2014 12:08pm

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 11
Original post from USnLFCfan

Of course not, I don't get this theory that just because we are America we should be on par with the powerhouses. They all have had successful domestic leagues for 90+ more years than the US and not to mention being the number 1 sport from birth to death....not in the US. Just because the population is bigger doesn't mean we can match those powerhouses......don't have the infrastructure in place those do, don't have the qualified coaches at all levels that those do, etc etc. I don't have America/MLS blinders on, it's a long way coming.


Not true. Not sure where you got your data. Anywhere in So America kids play spontaneously without coaches, field and often not a real ball. This is also true in Eastern Europe and Asia, and I have also seen it in Western Europe to a lesser extent. I was an Navy brat and have lived there. Your comment is true for leagues and semi-professional teams. But from age 5 until college, other countries don't invest what we do. Why? The talent develops in these pickup games and there is so much of it they don't need to invest. In contrast, our boys are "taught" soccer. They learn it by instinct in the powerhouses.
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dunlopp9987
Post #168
Tuesday March 25, 2014 2:08am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,647
Original post from admsghs27

Is my new phone dunlopp making up a word. Thanks for pointing it out.

Also gotta give love for my biggest fan. And wow top Cameron ? Amazing all these yrs at Houston no one noticed him and hek has the same exact game. Dammmm bandwagon American fans. I will bet anything if powere or trapp started for any epl team USA fans will say he is a top 3 player or something, even though he is playing the exact game as he did in MLS. Some people are DILUSIONAL.


Ugh. You're hopeless.

I never said that Cameron is a top American playing abroad this season simply because he's starting. I said that because he has consistently performed well for Stoke. Hell, he made ESPN's XI of the week this week (for the match that you were ragging on him). Here's a link: http://espnfc.com/columns/story/_/id/1760961/...

If Powers (it ends with an s, not an e) or Trapp were starting for a team in the EPL and consistently putting in good performances, I would absolutely say they're one of the best American soccer players we have right now. Just because you have this absurd hatred for the Premier League doesn't diminish the fact that Geoff has played extremely well all season long. You still haven't given me a reason not to say he is one of the top 5 American soccer players this season. I dare you, give me a reason.
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Chrisou101
Post #169
Tuesday March 25, 2014 2:25am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 626
Original post from dunlopp9987

Ugh. You're hopeless.

I never said that Cameron is a top American playing abroad this season simply because he's starting. I said that because he has consistently performed well for Stoke. Hell, he made ESPN's XI of the week this week (for the match that you were ragging on him). Here's a link: http://espnfc.com/columns/story/_/id/1760961/...

If Powers (it ends with an s, not an e) or Trapp were starting for a team in the EPL and consistently putting in good performances, I would absolutely say they're one of the best American soccer players we have right now. Just because you have this absurd hatred for the Premier League doesn't diminish the fact that Geoff has played extremely well all season long. You still haven't given me a reason not to say he is one of the top 5 American soccer players this season. I dare you, give me a reason.

Cameron no doubt is one of our top five American players. He plays day in day out against opponents that will play in the world cup. He is also one of the most consistent players for his club team. For the national team, I just want to see him paired up with Bradley in centermid.

Jzaval01
Post #170
Tuesday March 25, 2014 2:28am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
Original post from dunlopp9987

Ugh. You're hopeless.

I never said that Cameron is a top American playing abroad this season simply because he's starting. I said that because he has consistently performed well for Stoke. Hell, he made ESPN's XI of the week this week (for the match that you were ragging on him). Here's a link: http://espnfc.com/columns/story/_/id/1760961/...

If Powers (it ends with an s, not an e) or Trapp were starting for a team in the EPL and consistently putting in good performances, I would absolutely say they're one of the best American soccer players we have right now. Just because you have this absurd hatred for the Premier League doesn't diminish the fact that Geoff has played extremely well all season long. You still haven't given me a reason not to say he is one of the top 5 American soccer players this season. I dare you, give me a reason.


dunlopp9987 wow must admit thats impressive. Even though Geoff cameron attacking can be flat at time especially his crosses he is still playing top level at a top level league. WHY is this overlooked. The man is going up against top quality attack week in and out and people and Jurgen dont like him. Again he should start at RB and is our best option at RB even though he has inconsistent crossing.

hamsamwich
Post #171
Tuesday March 25, 2014 2:50am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,540
I never said he wasn't a good player, just that Cameron adds little to nothing to the attack. And that is important for the USMNT, whoever said I don't know what a defender does.
You obviously missed the 2006 World Cup and the importance offensively of Fabio Grosso for Italy.

Lets run down the top teams: Marcelo, Dani Alves in Brazil not really defensive players. Jordi Alba from Spain, Lahm from Germany, all the way down to people like Pablo Zabaleta. I'd venture to say the modern coach of the top teams looks at the outside back spot as important for attacking.

admsghs27
Post #172
Tuesday March 25, 2014 3:01am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Original post from dunlopp9987

Ugh. You're hopeless.

I never said that Cameron is a top American playing abroad this season simply because he's starting. I said that because he has consistently performed well for Stoke. Hell, he made ESPN's XI of the week this week (for the match that you were ragging on him). Here's a link: http://espnfc.com/columns/story/_/id/1760961/...

If Powers (it ends with an s, not an e) or Trapp were starting for a team in the EPL and consistently putting in good performances, I would absolutely say they're one of the best American soccer players we have right now. Just because you have this absurd hatred for the Premier League doesn't diminish the fact that Geoff has played extremely well all season long. You still haven't given me a reason not to say he is one of the top 5 American soccer players this season. I dare you, give me a reason.


Dude he was 1 of 3 rbs for team of the week not the first choice. Also is only in the epl not Europe overall. Secondly Chandler received player of the week many times in a better league. And third top. 5 ? Ok jozy, aron, landon, dempsey, Howard, zusi, guzan, Fabian, Bradley, etc. Are better than him heck maybe green, even besler, gonzo are better. How many times did he play for USA when he was in Houston ? Thank you and his game hasn't changed much he is still a similar player.

Dimo
Post #173
Tuesday March 25, 2014 3:55am

Joined Nov 2013
Total Posts: 277
Original post from admsghs27

Dude he was 1 of 3 rbs for team of the week not the first choice. Also is only in the epl not Europe overall. Secondly Chandler received player of the week many times in a better league. And third top. 5 ? Ok jozy, aron, landon, dempsey, Howard, zusi, guzan, Fabian, Bradley, etc. Are better than him heck maybe green, even besler, gonzo are better. How many times did he play for USA when he was in Houston ? Thank you and his game hasn't changed much he is still a similar player.


Gibberish.

dunlopp9987
Post #174
Tuesday March 25, 2014 5:09am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,647
Original post from admsghs27

Dude he was 1 of 3 rbs for team of the week not the first choice. Also is only in the epl not Europe overall. Secondly Chandler received player of the week many times in a better league. And third top. 5 ? Ok jozy, aron, landon, dempsey, Howard, zusi, guzan, Fabian, Bradley, etc. Are better than him heck maybe green, even besler, gonzo are better. How many times did he play for USA when he was in Houston ? Thank you and his game hasn't changed much he is still a similar player.


Look above to Dimo's response. You're not making any sense.

Did you not see that I have repeatedly said that Cameron is one of the top American soccer players THIS SEASON?? You are honestly going to tell me, in all seriousness, that Cameron has performed worse than Jozy this season? Than Clint? Than Zusi? PLEASE CONVINCE ME.

Now you're just being stubborn. If you honestly don't think that Geoff Cameron has been one of the top 5 Americans this season, you are delusional and are so anti-EPL that it's clouding your judgement. He's playing against some of the top talent in the world, week in and week out.

STOP. TALKING. NONSENSE.
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Chrisou101
Post #175
Tuesday March 25, 2014 5:18am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 626
Original post from admsghs27

Dude he was 1 of 3 rbs for team of the week not the first choice. Also is only in the epl not Europe overall. Secondly Chandler received player of the week many times in a better league. And third top. 5 ? Ok jozy, aron, landon, dempsey, Howard, zusi, guzan, Fabian, Bradley, etc. Are better than him heck maybe green, even besler, gonzo are better. How many times did he play for USA when he was in Houston ? Thank you and his game hasn't changed much he is still a similar player.

I hate to say this, but man you seriously have no clue what you're talking about.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #176
Tuesday March 25, 2014 6:20am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,410
Original post from Xtratime3

Not true. Not sure where you got your data. Anywhere in So America kids play spontaneously without coaches, field and often not a real ball. This is also true in Eastern Europe and Asia, and I have also seen it in Western Europe to a lesser extent. I was an Navy brat and have lived there. Your comment is true for leagues and semi-professional teams. But from age 5 until college, other countries don't invest what we do. Why? The talent develops in these pickup games and there is so much of it they don't need to invest. In contrast, our boys are "taught" soccer. They learn it by instinct in the powerhouses.


Data? What are you talking about? Every overseas professional league/team have academies (most of which begin around the U8 level if not earlier) that have been in place for years. Sure, parents there don't invest as much as we do.....but they have the infrastructure already in place (the clubs are dishing out the money). Sure, the futsal game and pickup isn't where it needs to be hear but that holds to my comment of football (soccer) being the number 1 sport from birth.

Xtratime3
Rio de Janeiro
Post #177
Thursday March 27, 2014 4:37pm

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 11
Original post from USnLFCfan

Data? What are you talking about? Every overseas professional league/team have academies (most of which begin around the U8 level if not earlier) that have been in place for years. Sure, parents there don't invest as much as we do.....but they have the infrastructure already in place (the clubs are dishing out the money). Sure, the futsal game and pickup isn't where it needs to be hear but that holds to my comment of football (soccer) being the number 1 sport from birth.


Sorry, it's obvious you haven't visited and get your information from the Internet. The academies are for kids WHO ALREADY ARE STARS. They become stars on the streets and in schools. It is not a process directed from up high as you seem to think. Travel a bit and talk to soccer fans. You'll learn a lot.
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