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USnLFCfan
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Post #136
Tuesday March 18, 2014 3:53am

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Original post from dfw_fan

Yep, at my daughter's game, the coach always yells kick it out kick it out. It is frustrating


As a ball-playing CB there are times where I just kicked the piss out of the ball...and as a coach I've yelled the same thing. There are just points in a game where it's best to clear out and press upfield.

dolcem
Post #137
Tuesday March 18, 2014 4:05am

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Original post from USnLFCfan

As a ball-playing CB there are times where I just kicked the piss out of the ball...and as a coach I've yelled the same thing. There are just points in a game where it's best to clear out and press upfield.


And in American soccer games, that's what they do nearly every time.
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USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #138
Tuesday March 18, 2014 4:35am

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Original post from dolcem

And in American soccer games, that's what they do nearly every time.


That's quite a stretch. Maybe in small towns....but in bigger cities where there are numerous Class 1-3 club teams then you will see teams that build up from the back.

dolcem
Post #139
Tuesday March 18, 2014 4:57am

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Original post from USnLFCfan

That's quite a stretch. Maybe in small towns....but in bigger cities where there are numerous Class 1-3 club teams then you will see teams that build up from the back.


Things are getting better but at all levels American soccer is not nearly as advanced as what you see in the youth levels of the soccer powerhouses. Our kids don't play pickup from age 2-7 the way kids in other countries do...obviously our soccer will be more primitive. I mean, we still use boot-and-root tactics at the MLS level and that's how our national team played under Coach Bob. Every generation gets better as American kids get more and more into the sport (they didn't even watch it until very recently) but let's not pretend like we don't have a long way to go.
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USnLFCfan
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Post #140
Tuesday March 18, 2014 5:08am

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Original post from dolcem

Things are getting better but at all levels American soccer is not nearly as advanced as what you see in the youth levels of the soccer powerhouses. Our kids don't play pickup from age 2-7 the way kids in other countries do...obviously our soccer will be more primitive. I mean, we still use boot-and-root tactics at the MLS level and that's how our national team played under Coach Bob. Every generation gets better as American kids get more and more into the sport (they didn't even watch it until very recently) but let's not pretend like we don't have a long way to go.


Of course not, I don't get this theory that just because we are America we should be on par with the powerhouses. They all have had successful domestic leagues for 90+ more years than the US and not to mention being the number 1 sport from birth to death....not in the US. Just because the population is bigger doesn't mean we can match those powerhouses......don't have the infrastructure in place those do, don't have the qualified coaches at all levels that those do, etc etc. I don't have America/MLS blinders on, it's a long way coming.

dolcem
Post #141
Tuesday March 18, 2014 5:33am

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Original post from USnLFCfan

Of course not, I don't get this theory that just because we are America we should be on par with the powerhouses. They all have had successful domestic leagues for 90+ more years than the US and not to mention being the number 1 sport from birth to death....not in the US. Just because the population is bigger doesn't mean we can match those powerhouses......don't have the infrastructure in place those do, don't have the qualified coaches at all levels that those do, etc etc. I don't have America/MLS blinders on, it's a long way coming.


I agree, I just think we need to re-think the way we approach the game at all levels, especially your run of the mill youth games, because that is the backbone of our culture. We need to be less American about the way we approach the game and more continental European. We need to approach it as a skills sport rather than a muscles, blood, and guts sport like gridiron. People are very resistant to change though and the idea that we need to try and imitate a European country just wouldn't fly where I'm from, for example.
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hamsamwich
Post #142
Tuesday March 18, 2014 9:33am

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@Dolcem- good posts, although not sure about your whole "pickup soccer" aged 2-7 thing.

I thought Tab Ramos squad at the U20 world cup was every bit the play it on the ground team that France, Ghana, and Spain were, in fact at times we looked as good, but were lacking that forward like Jese. And why, because ONeill and Stanko (two midfielders)were there.

Its no coincidence to me that my favorite US game recently was the win at Azteca with Edu and I believe Cameron at CB. (I'd love to see it again, or even better, Besler and Edu, as I also agree Besler is our best)

Dimo
Post #143
Sunday March 23, 2014 5:06pm

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Cameron just goofed up.

Jzaval01
Post #144
Sunday March 23, 2014 5:19pm

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Seems like he is struggling a bit. Villa Left Mid attack going at him with pace and skills

hamsamwich
Post #145
Sunday March 23, 2014 5:24pm

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After yet another poor Cameron cross that the 6 foot 9 Peter Crouch couldnt even reach, Crouch stood with his hands in the air wondering why Cameron is playing RB. I will stick with this until the World Cup, he should be a CB because his crossing is poor, especially considering how important and critical our few scoring chances will be, Cameron should NOT be the USMNT starting RB, rather, he should play CB.

Dimo
Post #146
Sunday March 23, 2014 5:25pm

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Idk if anyone else has noticed this, but Cameron plays more of a RCB when stoke is in defense. I really hope we start using him there. He is a poorman's Ivanovic at rb. He's better in the center.

admsghs27
Post #147
Sunday March 23, 2014 5:28pm

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Just look if villa attackers are easily going tru Cameron just imagine what Ghana, Germany, portugal will do to him. Can't even bare to imagine. Were absolutely screwed. Where's a. RB when you need one.

Jzaval01
Post #148
Sunday March 23, 2014 5:34pm

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Cameron isnt good in CB IMO He ball watches way to much for a CB. Just remember the Bosnia match as a match where he looked pretty bad in Dezko goal.
IMO Cameron is 1st a CDM for USMNT then a RB because of defensive awareness and no more options for us and lastly CB
If Cameron can improve that crossing which can be decent a times then he would be solid but Seeing his crosses against Ukraine left alot to desire but again solid against Ukraine

Dimo
Post #149
Sunday March 23, 2014 5:34pm

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No one is going "tru" Cameron. His defensive play is good as usual. He only had that one slip up. His crossing is either on or off. Right now it seems to be off. I agree that we need a more consisten offensive presence from our rb. But Cameron should still start at cb.

admsghs27
Post #150
Sunday March 23, 2014 6:26pm

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Cameron's best position is dm. He played there most of his career with Houston. He is not a good cb and only a descent RB. Too bad chrundolo had all those injuries if not we wouldn'# have worries for our backline.
The midfield is our major problem specially our wings.

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