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MSantoine
Post #1
Friday November 22, 2013 6:43pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Not sure what this says about the state of international soccer. But only 4 teams in next years World Cup missed both of the last two world cups. And in fact 24 (2/3) are playing in a second straight.

Also only 5 teams are ranked higher than 34. The 4 Asian teams and Cameroon. That should make it a very competitive cup with several group of deaths (aka no groups of deaths).

Only 1 of the top 24 teams failed to qualify (Ukraine who lost in the playoff round)

So FIFA found the best way to get all the top teams from each region to qualify. It makes it a great tournament but it makes it so you don't get those heart warming stories

krdonnel
Post #2
Friday November 22, 2013 6:51pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 40
Im still hoping for a miracle and CONCACAF is in the pot with AFC and not Asia

dolcem
Post #3
Saturday November 23, 2013 1:31am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,033
I look at our squad and I don't even know if we should be ranked in the top 30. If we make it out of the group stage, it'll be a miracle.
NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WHAT LINEUP YOU USE IN FIFA
rainORshine
Post #4
Saturday November 23, 2013 6:01am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,770
Original post from dolcem

I look at our squad and I don't even know if we should be ranked in the top 30. If we make it out of the group stage, it'll be a miracle.


what 30 squads look better to you?

please name them

your disregard for the talent of american players is insulting

all i ever see you post is how great JK is and how he is a miracle worker for his record with the pathetic lack of talent at his disposal.

US got to WC QF in 2002
US won its group in 2010

did they just get lucky, or are you suggesting that the level of talent is actually worse in this cycle than it has been?

howard - EPL starter
cameron - EPL starter
fabian - bund starter
chandler - bund starter
bradley - AS roma, now in prime of his career
kljestan - anderlecht / UCL
donovan - coming off typically productive year for club and country
altidore - EPL
johannsson - AZ

MLS and players there are better than they have ever been

JK is amazing but even he has no prayer of getting these stiffs out the first round?

you, sir, are an absolute joke

dunlopp9987
Post #5
Saturday November 23, 2013 6:58am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 994
Original post from rainORshine

what 30 squads look better to you?

please name them

your disregard for the talent of american players is insulting

all i ever see you post is how great JK is and how he is a miracle worker for his record with the pathetic lack of talent at his disposal.

US got to WC QF in 2002
US won its group in 2010

did they just get lucky, or are you suggesting that the level of talent is actually worse in this cycle than it has been?

howard - EPL starter
cameron - EPL starter
fabian - bund starter
chandler - bund starter
bradley - AS roma, now in prime of his career
kljestan - anderlecht / UCL
donovan - coming off typically productive year for club and country
altidore - EPL
johannsson - AZ

MLS and players there are better than they have ever been

JK is amazing but even he has no prayer of getting these stiffs out the first round?

you, sir, are an absolute joke


Rain, shut up.

Howard - Yes, he is good
Cameron - Plays for a team just out of relegation zone
Chandler - Is he still a USMNT player?
Fabian - Yes, he is good
Bradley - Yes, he is good
Kljestan - Where's Mix?
Donovan - Yes, he is good
Altidore - Team is second to last in EPL, hasn't scored a goal
Johannsson - Yes, he is good

So that's 5 players who are good. Last I checked, 11 play. And way to not even mention any center backs. That must've just slipped your mind.

you, sir, are an absolute joke.
COYB!!
rainORshine
Post #6
Saturday November 23, 2013 4:07pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,770
Original post from dunlopp9987

Rain, shut up.

Howard - Yes, he is good
Cameron - Plays for a team just out of relegation zone
Chandler - Is he still a USMNT player?
Fabian - Yes, he is good
Bradley - Yes, he is good
Kljestan - Where's Mix?
Donovan - Yes, he is good
Altidore - Team is second to last in EPL, hasn't scored a goal
Johannsson - Yes, he is good

So that's 5 players who are good. Last I checked, 11 play. And way to not even mention any center backs. That must've just slipped your mind.

you, sir, are an absolute joke.


so you also think the talent level has dropped?

so folks who think US talent has dropped this cycle and is only having any success because of klinsmann the great:
- dolcem
- dunlopp

anyone else?

rainORshine
Post #7
Saturday November 23, 2013 4:19pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,770
Original post from dunlopp9987

Rain, shut up.

Howard - Yes, he is good
Cameron - Plays for a team just out of relegation zone
Chandler - Is he still a USMNT player?
Fabian - Yes, he is good
Bradley - Yes, he is good
Kljestan - Where's Mix?
Donovan - Yes, he is good
Altidore - Team is second to last in EPL, hasn't scored a goal
Johannsson - Yes, he is good

So that's 5 players who are good. Last I checked, 11 play. And way to not even mention any center backs. That must've just slipped your mind.

you, sir, are an absolute joke.


JK has clearly stated that he simply rates evans as a better RB. in his mind evans is better than a bundesliga starter

Mojofc
Post #8
Saturday November 23, 2013 4:34pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 670
Rain,

You can't always go by their words. I highly doubt JK feels chandler is not worthy of a callup based purely on skill. JK is punishing chandler, I think most assume this anyways.

Dempsey is older and out of the EPL, if prefer Dempsey of 2010.

Donovan can't play on the wing as well as 2010, best position would be under Jozy but that's also dempseys best spot.

Cherundelo vs Evans/Cameron.

Boca, Gooch, DeMerit as the rest of the defense, solid. Now gonzo, Besler, Beasley.

Michael Bradley has obviously improved his game.

Johannsson is a fantastic addition but with Dempsey and Landon both worthy of the spot below Jozy I'm not sure how he starts but I hope we find a spot of him.

Fabian, again, a wonderful addition to the squad.

Howard is similar to 3+ years show

Clark vs Jones/Mixx/Kljestan I'll take the 2014 options.

I'll take Johannsson, EJ over Findley.

There are obvious positions we are now better at and also obvious positions we are now worse off to some degree.

Hey, I'm just posting some info, not trying to get in the middle of another rain battle. You guys have fun.
Rain, rain, go away Come again another day - USMNT, MUFC
rainORshine
Post #9
Saturday November 23, 2013 5:26pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,770
donovan 10 = LD 14 (needs to play central position)
bradley 10 < MB 14
altidore 10 < JA 14
howard 10 = TH 14
boca < fabian/cameron
cherundolo = cameron/chandler

dempsey 10 > dempsey 14
demerit = goodson/gonzo
findley < johannson
onyewu < besler
clark 10 < clark 14
bornstein < lichaj/beasley
torres < kljestan
edu < jones
gomez = boyd

the players, on aggregate, are much better now. the only clear disadvantage is dempsey has declined but is still on the squad. every other spot is essentially equal or better now. its really not even close

the big difference is that dempsey and donovan are no longer good wing options

fabian and chandler as wing backs. problem solved. cameron, lichaj, beasley or yedlin if you refuse to bring chandler back

dolcem
Post #10
Sunday November 24, 2013 8:43am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,033
Original post from rainORshine

what 30 squads look better to you?

please name them

your disregard for the talent of american players is insulting

all i ever see you post is how great JK is and how he is a miracle worker for his record with the pathetic lack of talent at his disposal.

US got to WC QF in 2002
US won its group in 2010

did they just get lucky, or are you suggesting that the level of talent is actually worse in this cycle than it has been?

howard - EPL starter
cameron - EPL starter
fabian - bund starter
chandler - bund starter
bradley - AS roma, now in prime of his career
kljestan - anderlecht / UCL
donovan - coming off typically productive year for club and country
altidore - EPL
johannsson - AZ

MLS and players there are better than they have ever been

JK is amazing but even he has no prayer of getting these stiffs out the first round?

you, sir, are an absolute joke


The '02 starting XI is better than this one.

Howard is getting old and he isn't the shot-stopper he used to be. Cameron doesn't seem to fit into the team that well and is inconsistent, something you have pointed out to great length. Fabian Johnson is very good but inconsistent (he doesn't come from our system). Bradley has improved but we don't really have a good CM partner for him (unless he plays as a dedicated 6, which I don't really see happening). Kljestan is a decent player who has never done anything noteworthy for the NT except for one game against the Swedish B team. Of course you would include him in that group. Donovan is clearly not the player he used to be and your denial of this shows how biased you are towards your own opinions. Altidore hasn't scored a goal yet. Johansson is good.

The difference is our last team had Donovan and Dempsey in their primes. They carried that team. Now we don't have that, we don't have anyone who can step up the way they did. Those are massive shoes that will probably filled next cycle but we're in between generations at the moment. Our attacking midfielders are awful, we don't have a good CM combo, our CB's (possibly the most important position in international soccer) are a complete disaster, and I don't see Howard keeping us in games the way he used to. Sure we're deeper than the '10 team but we're certainly not better. More importantly, it's not the sum of the parts but the whole, and our players don't fit well together. There's not a single starting 11 that doesn't have serious problems with it.
NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WHAT LINEUP YOU USE IN FIFA
bbakerxyz
Post #11
Sunday November 24, 2013 4:05pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 237
My 2 cents. . . I think 2010 is about the same, maybe 2010 a little better, but it's obviously a TBD at this point. 2014 was much more depth, no doubt about it, but come tournament time only the top 18 guys matter, right?

Trying to go by starters and guys w/ significant PT. And trying to be objective unlike some of the other yin yangs here. Let me know if I'm missing anyone.

The 2010 advantages:
Lando 10 > Lando 14, Fabian 14
Dempsey 10 > Dempsey 14, Bedyoa 14, Zusi 14
Dolo 10 > right back 14. Maybe Chandler comes back and it's possible he's better than Dolo 10.
Howard 10 > Howard 14 (the additional experience helps him for a goalie but he doesn't quite have the athleticism he used to have)
Boca 10 > Beasley 14 (Boca was LB, correct?). If not Boca 10 at CB is better than any of our 14 CBs
CBs 10 > CBs 14. This is a big TBD, but I think Demerit & Onyewu were a little better than anyone we have now.

The 14 advantages:
Jozy 14 > Jozy 10, Buddle 10, Herc 10, Findley 10
AJ 14 > Jozy 10 Buddle 10, Herc 10, Findley 10.
Bradley 14 > Bradley 10
Fabian 14 > I'll just assume he's a good addition, although he sure as shit is not as good as Lando 10)
Jones 14 > Edu 10, Clark 10

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #12
Sunday November 24, 2013 4:13pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 4,849
Demeritt and Onyweu better than what we have now? Onyewu stunk at the 2010 WC, and Demeritt while a pit bull defensively wasn't the best passer nor that smooth on the ball.

Besler> Demeritt
Gonzo> than WC2010 Onyewu.
Boca 2010> Goodson 2014
Goodsoon 2010=Brooks

And if Cameron plays CB than he is greater then them all.

Boca played LB for two games. After that he took over at LCB for a poor Onyewu.

Beasley or Johnson>Bornstein

navi8132
Post #13
Sunday November 24, 2013 4:26pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,889
We received the best possible draw at the 2010 WC. Lightning won't strike twice.

Mojofc
Post #14
Sunday November 24, 2013 4:28pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 670
Original post from navi8132

We received the best possible draw at the 2010 WC. Lightning won't strike twice.


Just saying... anything is possible:

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Man-Survives...
Rain, rain, go away Come again another day - USMNT, MUFC
mattgerlach
Florida
Post #15
Sunday November 24, 2013 4:34pm

Joined Mar 2012
Total Posts: 13
Here is some more interesting facts:
I seeded out each team based on their current FIFA ranking. I then put them in groups based on those seeding for the most 'perfect balance' possible. It takes into account only their current FIFA rankings, nothing more.

Group A
Spain
Boznia-Herz
Cote D Ivoire
Cameroon

Group B
Germany
Greece
Croatia
Australia

Group C
Argentina
Portugal
Russia
South Korea

Group D
Columbia
USA
France
Iran

Group E
Belgium
Chile
Ecuador
Japan

Group F
Uraguay
England
Ghana
Honduras

Group G
Switzerland
Italy
Mexico
Nigeria

Group H
Brazil
Netherlands
Costa Rica
Algeria

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