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Post #106
Wednesday November 20, 2013 12:35am

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I thought usa was at a different level but seeing we cant walk over these mediocre opponents is obvious we have plenty to improve on. Im saying this and hope no one gets offended but CONCACAF IS THE 1ST OR 2ND WORSE region in the world soccer wise at this point. No wonder usa looked good all year playing weak teams. Honestly the best win we had was vs bosnia, and only because altidore was a posses man on fire that day. Germany don't count they had a very weak team. even then bosnia is not that good same for Belgium. Argentina walked trough them with out messi in a pro Bosnia crowd in st Louis. I liked the way usa attacked but is all about results at the end. Klissman probably has the biggest headache now more than ever. Who are going to be the 23 players for brazil ? I see a new face or 2 sneaking in. Yedlin ? Alonso if approved ? Gil ? Usa is in need of a mid/wing and a RB desperately.

chillguy1992
Post #107
Wednesday November 20, 2013 12:46am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,095
Jones was bad he doesnt work with bradley. Cameron is the possible right back looked composed and did his job. Beasley got exposed today not good enough at left back. We could either use Fabian, Chandler, or lichaj at left back. Centerback needs some work but I think just give them time to develop chemistry. Bedoya is alright cut in too much needs to balance want to cut while also staying wide. EJ is not a left winger and brek sheas lack of playing time for stoke showed today.

Remember US was without dempsey, fabian, and donovan. In the end we were denied a goal and penalty if not a goal by the ref. Second half we played much better diskerud klijestan boyd lichaj did well of the bench. EJ did okay but he is not a left winger and wondo didnt get much time. I remember in the bosnia game how well castillo played at left midfielder. I think depth wise at left wing castillo could be good of the bench. Evans was out with a groin injury and orozco was sick. Also klinsmann called the lack of goal line technology a joke. Remember Spain lost to South Africa today they are called friendlies for a reason its not the world cup no need to panic too much.

cudevil
Post #108
Wednesday November 20, 2013 12:48am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 460
Original post from rainORshine

it's official... klinsmann is running an absolute circus

1) brek shea - nobody with half a brain thought shea deserved to be on this roster and anyone with 1/4 of a brain realized that starting that BS was the quickest way to destroy any confidence gained against scotland. wow, a guy who has not been getting games for club in well over a year did absolutely nothing? shocking. good use of PT JK

2) in 44 games, JK has managed to start his 2 best CMs - bradley and kljestan - exactly ZERO times. bravo! well done with all your ingenious "experimenting"

3) at the end of the game you had 3 CMs and 3 forwards on the field. ever heard of a 4-3-3? pretty fun little set-up - actually allows you to play ALL your CM centrally and ALL your forwards forward

brooks - actually thought he was solid. dont see where he is at all at fault on the goal. had to go with near post run. gonzo needed to be closer to scorer

gonzo - guilty on goal. was slow to react when pass went out wide and slow to close down scorer. hes not there yet

beasley - perfect demonstration of why we need fabian back there. atrocious positioning on multiple occasions

cameron - he was ok, but got very sloppy with the ball in 2nd half. better than evans

jones - final nail in coffin. with JKs devotion to him at an 8, his presence on the team actually makes us worse. maybe can play a 6 but his days at 8 are past.

bradley - extremely poor outing. unusually careless in possession

shea - see above

bedoya - has now started 9 of last 11. hustle is not enough. not im my 23

johannsson - blew a big chance to claim a job. seemed to lose possession every time he touched the ball. one good shot on goal and very little else

altidore - not great. not bad

JK has made one thing perfectly clear. this team will live or die with jermaine jones next to MB.

good luck with that


Wow, so very little to agree with here.

Cameron was very good throughout.

Not sure I get the criticism on Beas. He was ok and also had to do a lot of covering for the CB's and Jones on occasion (which pulled him out of position on the goal). I also think it's moot, since FJ will end up there.

Shea was fine. He had one bad touch in a dangerous spot early in the second half, but otherwise didn't do much either way. In all likelihood, JK was helping Shea get a better loan gig this January, with the hopes that a loan spring boards him to a spot on the WC roster.

The 4-3-3 formation played towards the end stunk. It took a team that already has a width problem (at least without Zusi or LD or FJ playing outside) and made them even more narrow. It was a pure desperation move intended to allow for hoofing balls into the box. We'd get crushed to an even greater extent by any team that has competent wing play if we went with a 4-3-3.

Brooks was really bad in the first half. Constantly out of position with reckless tackles or just poor awareness. 2-3 times he came out to attempt to close the gap between the midfield and the back line; missed a tackle; which in turn caused the Cam and Beas to have to pinch in to cover for him, thus leaving the outside wide open. He allowed an Austrian defender to easily turn in the box and feed a very dangerous cross. He was much better in the second and showed good distribution, but I'm not sure there are enough games left that would allow him to earn a starting spot. He also completely whiffed on the cross that led to the goal.

Other than a couple of poor services on free kicks, Bradley was good tonight. Composed on the ball, tracked back well, solid on the tackle.

Jozy was also good (and far better than he's often given credit for). His touch has improved so much. His hold up play is better. Had Gonzo played a pass to him with any touch whatsoever, he buries that chance on a one timer in the second half.

Gonzo-still not sure what to think. The chemistry was so bad between he and Brooks in the first half that I don't if he was in the right position and forced to cover or made a mistake from the get go. Much better in the second. His passing is very suspect though.

Still don't think Jones was as bad as people are making out, and for his bad plays, it's also easy to see why JK thinks he should still be out there.

cudevil
Post #109
Wednesday November 20, 2013 12:51am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 460
Original post from chillguy1992

Jones was bad he doesnt work with bradley. Cameron is the possible right back looked composed and did his job. Beasley got exposed today not good enough at left back. We could either use Fabian, Chandler, or lichaj at left back. Centerback needs some work but I think just give them time to develop chemistry. Bedoya is alright cut in too much needs to balance want to cut while also staying wide. EJ is not a left winger and brek sheas lack of playing time for stoke showed today.

Remember US was without dempsey, fabian, and donovan. In the end we were denied a goal and penalty if not a goal by the ref. Second half we played much better diskerud klijestan boyd lichaj did well of the bench. EJ did okay but he is not a left winger and wondo didnt get much time. I remember in the bosnia game how well castillo played at left midfielder. I think depth wise at left wing castillo could be good of the bench. Evans was out with a groin injury and orozco was sick. Also klinsmann called the lack of goal line technology a joke. Remember Spain lost to South Africa today they are called friendlies for a reason its not the world cup no need to panic too much.


I've got substantial doubts about whether Lichaj could play LB. He had several opportunities to hit a cross with his left foot tonight and failed mightily every time. It has to be FJ at left back if it isn't Beas.

admsghs27
Post #110
Wednesday November 20, 2013 1:03am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 5,980
Wow at rainorshine very little to agree on your post at least 90% is inaccurate. Dont know which game you watched. On the goal gonzo was nowhere near the play Beasley got burned and brooks lost his man. Commentators on unimas were prasing gonzo as the best player in the back line. and Cameron wasn't all that great he should of had that goal but refs blew it. Cherundolo at this point is the best answer at RB he has it all talent and experienced just has to get fit asap. If not there are plenty of other players to try out. honestly only yedlin, and farell seem as other good options lijah wasn't that impressive. Even sean franklin from galaxy wouldn't hurt to call he is fast athletic strong good size and really experienced. January camp is going to be exciting wth so much young talent. cant wait for the game at the HDC/stubhub. hopefully we scheduled a pretty tough team.

munns5986
Post #111
Wednesday November 20, 2013 1:20am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 260
Original post from rainORshine

it's official... klinsmann is running an absolute circus

1) brek shea - nobody with half a brain thought shea deserved to be on this roster and anyone with 1/4 of a brain realized that starting that BS was the quickest way to destroy any confidence gained against scotland. wow, a guy who has not been getting games for club in well over a year did absolutely nothing? shocking. good use of PT JK

2) in 44 games, JK has managed to start his 2 best CMs - bradley and kljestan - exactly ZERO times. bravo! well done with all your ingenious "experimenting"

3) at the end of the game you had 3 CMs and 3 forwards on the field. ever heard of a 4-3-3? pretty fun little set-up - actually allows you to play ALL your CM centrally and ALL your forwards forward

brooks - actually thought he was solid. dont see where he is at all at fault on the goal. had to go with near post run. gonzo needed to be closer to scorer

gonzo - guilty on goal. was slow to react when pass went out wide and slow to close down scorer. hes not there yet

beasley - perfect demonstration of why we need fabian back there. atrocious positioning on multiple occasions

cameron - he was ok, but got very sloppy with the ball in 2nd half. better than evans

jones - final nail in coffin. with JKs devotion to him at an 8, his presence on the team actually makes us worse. maybe can play a 6 but his days at 8 are past.

bradley - extremely poor outing. unusually careless in possession

shea - see above

bedoya - has now started 9 of last 11. hustle is not enough. not im my 23

johannsson - blew a big chance to claim a job. seemed to lose possession every time he touched the ball. one good shot on goal and very little else

altidore - not great. not bad

JK has made one thing perfectly clear. this team will live or die with jermaine jones next to MB.

good luck with that


Ok at first I actually thought you might have been related to Klejstan with how much you are always pimping him. Now I am just starting to think you are a bit to keep people posting.

Klinnsman is actually running these games like I think he should. You can only take 23 players to the world cup so why not try to fit guys into to different roles in case they are needed to be called upon. I think Klinnsman knows who his starters are more than likely are but is trying to figure out the subs that will help the team in multiple roles.

1.) Brek Shea did a good job against Scotland. Yes it is a risk to play a player who had a good game because he might lose his confidence but how else will he build up confidence than to keep playing.

2.) Obviously not many people agree with you on this. Bradley is by far and away the best CM. Is Jones the next best, maybe not but no one else has stepped up to be better. I know your response will be that Klejstan has not had a chance to start with Bradley. While he has been played out of position he did things today that I don't to see from any player. To me he just seemed kind of clumsy on the ball and passes were off the mark quite a bit. Playing in a different position shouldn't change that.

I agree with you on Brooks. At first I think he was a little nervous but in second half thought he was much sharper.

I thought Cameron was one of the better players on the field today.

I do not agree that Bradley was extremely poor. Was he poor for how he has played lately, yes. Still think he was pretty good.

My top three players from the game in this order would be:

Cameron
Jozy
Bradley

I think if you step back from your hate for JK and your love for SK you might be able to see there is a strategy behind what JK is doing. I will give you the Eddie Johnson sub. Not sure what that was about but the rest of them make sense to me.

Red
NY
Post #112
Wednesday November 20, 2013 1:35am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 417
I thought the US were the better team and deserved to at minimum draw this game. Its a friendly game, in Europe, against a seriously underrated team without a number of our key starters and still outplayed them.

Cameron had a legit goal and the only reason we lost was because of a stupid/rookie mistake committed by a 20-year-old CB. We could have scored at least 2-3 goals.

We are taking way to much stock in this game. In the 4-4-2(b/c it was) we need quality out wide and Shea/Bedoya gave little to no help. We are not going to score without quality service and when Jones plays forward keeping Bradley at home the offense is inept. Hopefully Jones can get sent to the bench...

overall if you add FJ and Zusi to this game the US win by 2 goals. We lack quality out wide left(outside of FJ) Donovan and Zusi are going to be massive wide right.

Italy drew 2-2 with Nigeria(who suck) and no one is freaking out. Bright Dike scored and he is an average at best MLS player.They also started a number of experimental players and don't put any stock into the result but individual performances. We freak out any time everything doesn't go our way.

bottom line:

Shea can only be effective when he has space in front of him.
Bedoya is ok, nothing special at this level.
Bradley and Jones don't work
Cameron is a solid RB
Brooks is nowhere near ready to start for the US
and AJ is coming along nicely.

cudevil
Post #113
Wednesday November 20, 2013 1:39am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 460
The Shea thing is not exactly rocket science to figure out. We have a dearth of wide players. Shea is one of the few whose natural position is out wide. He's also shown that when he's on form, he can bring an attacking element from the wing that other players in the pool don't have. I can't get into JK's brain, but I suspect he views Shea as a potential sub for attacking purposes, but knows that he has to get playing time in order to get back into form. That means Shea has to get a bit of PT with the Nats, go out on loan, etc. Auditioning him for a loan makes good sense this far out from the WC (even recognizing that there aren't many additional fixtures for the Nats before Brazil).

Red
NY
Post #114
Wednesday November 20, 2013 1:42am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 417
I like Shea but he can't pass the ball, he can't keep possession and he really only is effective if there is clear space in front of him which he will cut in and cross the ball on the ground.

He can be useful if a team is coming hard at the US and they are leaving space in behind. Otherwise he is useless to the USMNT.

I'm more concerned about the CM partnership and full back situation.

I'm not convinced on Beasley and Evans. I like Cameron as a RB but better as a CM.

Rey Regicide
Post #115
Wednesday November 20, 2013 1:47am

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,740
Original post from Red

I like Shea but he can't pass the ball, he can't keep possession and he really only is effective if there is clear space in front of him which he will cut in and cross the ball on the ground.

He can be useful if a team is coming hard at the US and they are leaving space in behind. Otherwise he is useless to the USMNT.

I'm more concerned about the CM partnership and full back situation.

I'm not convinced on Beasley and Evans. I like Cameron as a RB but better as a CM.


Geoff Cameron to me, showed the best touches on the ball, that is until SK came on late. It's been rather funnie the banter between rain and co. about the whole not being called up ordeal. But the guy has talent. In fact I like seeing BOTH mix and SK together. Is Jermaine even starting any more for Schalke? What if he turns out to be the one out of form and not playing for his club? Seeing Bradley mix and SK in the middle of the park, the dread three man MF that we all are tepid about, late in the game was interesting. But so was Cameron's composure on the ball.

Bradley did something I didn't think he had in him, he turned into Claudio Reyna, a deep lying playmaking midfielder for us. Reyna had more skill on the ball maybe, but Bradley is sturdier.

Wasn't the best of games for the US, but everything doesn't have to be all systems go right now. The things that do need rework and maintenance will be addressed from now until the WC.

cudevil
Post #116
Wednesday November 20, 2013 1:54am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 460
I think SK has talent as well. His club career has been very underrated. On the other hand, I've never been wowed by his performances for the Nats, nor seen anything that suggests he's a must start. He's JAG ('just a guy') for the US. For me, I can see the upside in Jones and its far superior to that of SK (range, athleticism, bite in tackle, etc.). On the other hand, he also can screw up far more spectacularly than SK as well. Is a steadier presence in the mid-field that can't do what Jones can do preferable to Jones' mistakes? Maybe, but I think you need more than steady out of the central middies, and I don't see SK really providing any more than that.

And before rain asks if I'm expecting Zidane, I'm not, of course. But I expect more influence from my central middies, and I haven't seen SK do that consistently for the Nats.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #117
Wednesday November 20, 2013 1:56am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,116
Please for the love of everything holy don't respond to RainorShine.

He is turning into a troll.

Rey Regicide
Post #118
Wednesday November 20, 2013 2:10am

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,740
I like Lichaj's strength, speed and overall balls(testicles, I still have memories of him kicking mexicans asses, literally during the gold cup), but I do not like his lack of tidiness on the ball.

munns5986
Post #119
Wednesday November 20, 2013 2:15am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 260
I like Shea. I think right now he is just trying to hard. He needs to get playing time that's for sure. Right now I feel like when he gets the ball he wants to make something happen so bad that he ends up flubbing it turning the ball over. He needs to relax and let the game come to him.

dolcem
Post #120
Wednesday November 20, 2013 2:36am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,692
Man I HATE the TV arrangement we have going on here. I don't get NBC Sports and I keep on missing US games. I watched the first thirty minutes on a mediocre stream and then it went out. I go to a local sports bar which has a million TVs, several of which are playing the Argentina and Sweden games (the rest are playing Sportcenter), but none are playing the US game. It took them 20 minutes to change the goddamn channel of the TV next to me. I asked about five people. Spent 6 bucks to watch the last twenty minutes of the game.

It's hilarious seeing the reaction from some of the people here...from what I saw, we had a goal called back, we conceded because of a stupid defensive mistake, and the rest of the game we completely dominated. I don't mind too much losing on the road in a friendly if that's how it happens. I'm also glad because we've been winning so much lately I'm a little afraid of overconfidence.

Brooks was the biggest disappointment to me. Especially in the first 30 minutes (bad stream), I couldn't tell which CB was which. I can't say I could accurately evaluate how he played but he had some real shaky moments and I've been really hoping he could emerge as a starting CB.

Bedoya was also disappointing...he didn't play poorly but he still hasn't done much for the NT. Our attacking mids absolutely suck and he is arguably playing for a better club team than all of our field players save for Bradley. I want to see him played on the left or as the CAM. It's obvious that his tendency is to cut in and attack more centrally, so he's just not that good on the right. The problem is though that's Dempsey's job.

I actually thought Kljestan played quite well, he helped his case. Cameron and Altidore were also good. Maybe Cameron's inconsistency at RB for us has been because he has had difficulty adjusting to the different style and he's figuring it out now (obviously way too early to say so, just thinking aloud). I'd take Cameron at RB over Evans and maybe that's where he'll end up come WC time.

I didn't like the 4-3-3 at the end. The lack of players in the attacking third really holds us back and the only way to get the ball to the forwards is to hoof it towards them. We don't have the type of wingers that could play in a 4-3-3...I could see Dempsey (or maybe Bedoya) as the LW but that's it.
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