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Post #61
Monday January 5, 2015 3:47pm

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Original post from admsghs27

I guess so. I would say he is Uruguayan American. Say i go live in China for 5 or 10 years or so, does that make me more Chinese ???


It depends when those 5 to 10 years is. If it's during your formative years, where you start incorpoating and just flat out adapting Chinese culture, celebrating their holidays, talking like them, having their mannerisms, then yea it makes you that. But I agree just being in a certain area for a given amount of time doesn't make you from that area.

Fagundez sounds from the interviews like any teenager from the US, specifically Massachussets. He was definitely, culturally, United States. And one hell of a baller, this one sucks, but best of luck to him, the rules being what they are make him not a US citizen.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #62
Monday January 5, 2015 5:07pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,357
That makes two MLS/USSF products to be on two different south Ameican U-20 teams:

Fagundez with Uruguay

Castano with Colombia

chillguy1992
Post #63
Monday January 5, 2015 6:45pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,118
Original post from 2tone

That makes two MLS/USSF products to be on two different south Ameican U-20 teams:

Fagundez with Uruguay

Castano with Colombia


Yeah its pretty cool that teams are doing their due diligence about players like this especially for countries like colombia and uruguay. Sucks about the fagundez situation he seemed really interested in playing for the us but having to wait unitl 2018 for citizenship was probably a deal breaker. The Castano situation I couldnt really care about losing him honestly I didnt rate him even close to fagundez. Plus Ironically Castano has a better chance at making colombias roster in the future as a goalkeeper. The US is constantly loaded with good goalkeepers. Dont get me wrong Ospina is a good goalkeeper but if Castano develops he could deffiently make a colombia world cup roster as a second or third option potentially.

cudevil
Post #64
Tuesday January 6, 2015 10:04pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 934
I don't understand how Fagundez would still have to wait until 2018 to get his US citizenship while Zelalem already has his.

chillguy1992
Post #65
Tuesday January 6, 2015 11:53pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,118
Original post from cudevil

I don't understand how Fagundez would still have to wait until 2018 to get his US citizenship while Zelalem already has his.


Fagundez's parents never applied for citizenship. Fagundez therefore wasnt elgible to be a citizen by the age of 18. He would be elgible by 2018 for the usmnt because of other requirements he would be able to meet.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #66
Wednesday January 7, 2015 12:21am

Joined Jul 2012
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Fagundez' parents never applied for green card status which you have to have in order to apply for citizenship. Fagundez received his green card at 18, but he still has to be a resident for 5 years before applying for citizenship.

Zelalems father had a green card, and was eligible to apply for citizenship this past year, once Zelalem's father obtained his citizenship, Zelalem being a minor, also obtained US citizenship. There was a reason why USMNT fans were getting worried about Zelalem seniors citizenship process because Gedion wouldn't have gotten citizenship if Zelalem's father's citizenship process took him past Gedion's 18th birthday. Gedion turns 18 in two weeks. Gedion would of had to go through the same process that Fagundez is going through; by first obtaining a Green card, and then becoming a permanent resident in the USA for 5 years in order to gain US citizenship.

I hope that clears things up a bit.

US citizenship should not be taken lightly.

blaise213
Post #67
Tuesday January 27, 2015 1:41am

Joined Sep 2012
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Is english not this guys first language because I really don't like his response:

"The moment came when they told me I couldn't continue because I wasn't a citizen or a resident," said Fagundez. "A lot of years passed - so many years - and the situation didn't change. I was tired of waiting for the United States."

Fagundez said he had no hard feeling against American soccer officials.

"Right now, I don't want to play with the United States," he said. "I'm very happy with Uruguay and I think we can go far."

DragonEagle
Sunshine So Cal
Post #68
Tuesday January 27, 2015 3:33am

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 298
Original post from blaise213
I was tired of waiting for the United States."



I'm tired of the entitlement attitude. Blame your parents instead. Don't need him (not that it matter anyway)
We'll win it all, some day
tylercocinas
Post #69
Tuesday January 27, 2015 6:23pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
Entitlement? I sometimes wonder how people read the same thing and get completely different meanings out of it. The kid didn't have legal staus for a long time. He had honestly waited for a while and still had more waiting to do. All this while Uruguay was expressing interest. No need to start trippin cause he chose not to wait.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #70
Tuesday January 27, 2015 7:01pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,357
I think it has more do to with the tone of his comments. It's fine he doesn't want to wait, but it's not the US citizenship laws who are at fault. It is on the resident to change their status form Visa to green card and then ultimately apply for citizenship. His parents didn't do that. It's not the United States governments fault.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #71
Tuesday January 27, 2015 11:08pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,147
Right.

Generally, a dual-national can pick what he wants. 100% nothing wrong there.

Specifically, some 19 year-old international-quality players will go to the country where they don't have to wait. That I understand.
(I'm assuming that USSF can't do too much to push things through, since neither of his parents are citizens, he wasn't born here, and they didn't get the process going early. If he knows something I don't, that's another story.)

But the part I will pick on are his quotes after he made the switch
(I looked this up, these comments were definitely from after he was cap-tied):

"I was tired of waiting for the United States."
The Federal govt. isn't pussy-footing with you- you just become eligible in 2018. If you're 'actively' waiting and getting tired of it, you're thinking of it like the Federal govt. is the hot virgin on your block.

"Right now, I don't want to play with the United States"
What does right now mean when you're already cap-tied? Or do you not understand how the phrase right now is used in English after growing up here for nearly a decade?

He might be stupid.

BG6
Post #72
Wednesday January 28, 2015 4:16am

Joined May 2014
Total Posts: 85
Glad to read people comments here and on the MLS website responding to a19 year old kid like mature responsible adults.

DragonEagle
Sunshine So Cal
Post #73
Wednesday January 28, 2015 4:22am

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 298
If people can vote at 18 (not that Fagundez can), 19 is an adult
We'll win it all, some day
BG6
Post #74
Wednesday January 28, 2015 4:26am

Joined May 2014
Total Posts: 85
How many 19 year olds do you know that would have answered questions about their status adroitly enough to satisfy the masses? I don't understand the rationale for being riled about it

admsghs27
Post #75
Wednesday January 28, 2015 4:36am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
The guy is Uruagayan he should play for Uruguay it would be awkward if he did play for USA. Who cares what he says.

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