Post #31
Tuesday November 19, 2013 12:08am

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I don't see the evidence that Torres can't play against quality opposition. Kljestan was pretty bad against Belgium. Haven't really seen him play against any other quality opponents.

Post #32
Tuesday November 19, 2013 12:16am

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Original post from 2tone

I think Torres can be effective at times, but I would rate him like Kljestan. Average. Like other people have mentioned JK has tried people in different positions to see if they could adapt their games. Torres I believe had two decent games at LW. Never provided much at CAM, and has always lacked bite in a CM position.

I think Kljestan has an edge on him. And Torres' club career has been more up and down over the past 12 months compared to Kljestan.

"Has always lacked bite" would refer to 45 minutes in total he has played at CM under Klinsmann. While he was totally ineffective the two times he played as the CAM, he has gotten better at LW, as the Gold Cup showed. But yeah, I don't think he's any good as an attacking mid. I think he'd be great for us as a CM but other than those 45 minutes we've never seen it. It's the one decision that has really annoyed me. Just my .02.
Post #33
Tuesday November 19, 2013 1:09am

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Torres never really got chances at his best position at cm was always played at lw and lb. He didn't play well at CAM and at left back he played against Antigua. I like klinsmann but I think his experimentation at postions has been a little too much at times. For example with Brad Evans he doesnt fit with any of the right wings the US is putting out. For example Bedoya, Zusi,Corona, and Donovan all prefer to cut inside on the right which means you want a right back who can go up field a lot. However Brad Evans has started staying behind the half way line he doesnt attack that much because he is not a natural right back. This means that the right sided player is unable to play to their main strength. The result is you have the right side unable to be effective.

Now look at Beasley at left back while he was a left midfielder he has played left wing back at club. He is high energy and he constantly goes from the back to the front. Beasley opens up space for Fabian which allows Fabian to put in good crosses and genreally attack the right back. I would say beasley at left back has been a worthy experiment and for now it has worked. Will Beasley be the starting left back mabye he will or wont but it was a much better experiment then brad evans. Simply because left back depth isnt as deep as right back this cycle. Klinsmann has expiremented many times but most dont work. There are many other experiments EJ at LW, Williams RM, and others that havent worked. I think experimentation is good if limited but I think Torres ended up being the biggest casualty of it.

Post #34
Tuesday November 19, 2013 1:52am

Joined Jun 2012
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What does "lack bite" mean?

Post #35
Tuesday November 19, 2013 10:56am

Joined Nov 2013
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Original post from richieJkulesaNY

What does "lack bite" mean?

It means he needs to play more like Suarez...

Post #36
Tuesday November 19, 2013 5:40pm

Joined Aug 2013
Total Posts: 34
Agree on the experimentation, I thought Klejstan actually had it the worst but the fact that he has played well enough (more with club than country) to stay in the picture has given him the opportunity to get some run at positions he is more comfortable in. But those first couple games on the wing were awful. And Dino, if you watch Anderlecht in UCL then you would see Klejstan play against quality opposition. I agree the Belgium game was not impressive, although he was far from the only one.

Evans at the wing back needs to end immediately. Every game we put him out there is another opportunity lost to see who can legitimately man the position in Brazil. I have no idea what the answer will be (unless Cherundolo is healthy in which case it is clear), but Cameron, Lichaj, and Chandler if he is wants to need to get some run out there.

Regarding Torres, his best qualities are vision and ability to play that killer ball. The problem is that he has demonstrated that he needs time to display both those qualities. Time is at a premium at the international level, and the few places he might be able to find it (as a deep lying playmaker) expose his weaknesses (too soft in general but especially defensively). So I just don't see how he fits.

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