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2tone
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Post #1
Sunday November 17, 2013 6:32am

Joined Jul 2012
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I have being pondering this as of late. With the emergence of Iceman, I think the solution JK will come up with is this for his starting 11 for the WC in a 4-4-1-1:

------Jozy------
------AJ-----
Deuce---Jones--MB90---Lando
Fabian---LCB--RCB----RB to be determined
------Howard------

I think obviously Besler and Gonzo are leading contenders to be the starters, But I still think Klinsmann likes Cameron a lot as a CB, and if Brooks reclaims his LCB position for Hertha then how can you not start him at the WC? He will be the only CB playing at a very high level.

Also this puts the USMNT's best attacking players on the field. I think it's becoming more logical to push Deuce back over to LW, a position he played for over 5 years. This will free up Deuce to be that third attacker in the box something that he has always thrived on. This also makes the right side stronger with Donovan.

Who will be the RB? Dolo will probably be the starting RB for the USMNT in the WC if he regains the starting job at Hannover.

Jones may or may not be the starter, but for right now, I still seem him as the starter come the WC.

Fabian plays LB and LW and RW for Hoffenheim, he will continue to rotate these positions with Hoffenheim. Is Fabian stronger than Beasley at LB? I think he is slightly better then Beas. Speed Beas may be a tad faster, but Fabian is stronger on the ball. Really Beas hasn't put a wrong foot forward, but right now I have Fabian ahead of him.

In the end I think the attacking quatro you see is the strongest attacking 4 the USMNT has right now. Funny thing is, is that AJ is now the new Charlie Davies. I think we will witness in 2014 what 2010 was supposed to look like with a healthy Charlie Davies.

Dimo
Post #2
Sunday November 17, 2013 9:13am

Joined Nov 2013
Total Posts: 277
I was thinking the exact same thing. Good post though. We won't know who's cb and rb until may at the earliest. I don't see klinsman unseating jones unless Holden comes back without missing a beat. Seeing as that will most likely not happen; Bradley and jones it is.

soccerboy-1983
vicenza, italy
Post #3
Sunday November 17, 2013 9:29am

Joined Nov 2013
Total Posts: 306
Original post from 2tone

I have being pondering this as of late. With the emergence of Iceman, I think the solution JK will come up with is this for his starting 11 for the WC in a 4-4-1-1:

--Jozy--
--AJ--
Deuce-Jones-MB90-Lando
Fabian-LCB-RCB-RB to be determined
--Howard--

I think obviously Besler and Gonzo are leading contenders to be the starters, But I still think Klinsmann likes Cameron a lot as a CB, and if Brooks reclaims his LCB position for Hertha then how can you not start him at the WC? He will be the only CB playing at a very high level.

Also this puts the USMNT's best attacking players on the field. I think it's becoming more logical to push Deuce back over to LW, a position he played for over 5 years. This will free up Deuce to be that third attacker in the box something that he has always thrived on. This also makes the right side stronger with Donovan.

Who will be the RB? Dolo will probably be the starting RB for the USMNT in the WC if he regains the starting job at Hannover.

Jones may or may not be the starter, but for right now, I still seem him as the starter come the WC.

Fabian plays LB and LW and RW for Hoffenheim, he will continue to rotate these positions with Hoffenheim. Is Fabian stronger than Beasley at LB? I think he is slightly better then Beas. Speed Beas may be a tad faster, but Fabian is stronger on the ball. Really Beas hasn't put a wrong foot forward, but right now I have Fabian ahead of him.

In the end I think the attacking quatro you see is the strongest attacking 4 the USMNT has right now. Funny thing is, is that AJ is now the new Charlie Davies. I think we will witness in 2014 what 2010 was supposed to look like with a healthy Charlie Davies.


I don't think LD and Dempsey should be starting at the WC. Not unless they start playing better before the wc comes around. Both need to go on loan and regain there form in play. I agree with the rest but I also think brooks and gonzo will end up being are CB's with chandler or Lichaj.

To me the best scenario is Lichaj on the left and chandler on the right with Fabian on the left wing with bedoya on the right.

Dempsey, LD, Beasely, Cameron on the bench gives us a lot of options

admsghs27
Post #4
Sunday November 17, 2013 9:58am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
I guarantee the backline will be fabian brooks gonzo dolo.. I know if dolo.gets a fe.months he would start maybe even captain. Mid we all lnow demps, bradley jones lando. Fwds jozy aron. Howard goalie... In other wores 4 4 2 perdect for wc

dolcem
Post #5
Sunday November 17, 2013 12:40pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
I'm not sold on the OP line-up. I don't see both Donovan and Dempsey as starters come 2014. The CM combo will be problematic. And we'll have the typical problems of the 4-4-2: the strikers will be too isolated from the midfield, it'll be too hard to maintain possession without that extra man in the midfield. The 4-5-1 is the way to go. Although it's very similar to the 4-4-1-1, you could think of that formation as a 4-5-1 with the CAM not dropping back in to the midfield enough and distributing to the forward and wingers. Johansson isn't that type of player; he's not the #10 that makes the 4-5-1 work well.

It's a huge shame that two of our best three field players (arguably) are strikers. Two strikers is not the way to go. We already tried the 4-4-2 diamond with CM's and it didn't work (yes, adding a creative CM in place of one of those DM's would have helped, but it wouldn't have taken us from awful to good). I think AJ could be a great sub though, as could Dempsey and Donovan.

I'm hoping for an in-form Howard, a Johnson-Brooks-Cameron-Cherundolo backline, and the rest is up in the air. The CM pairing is really difficult because we haven't found one that works (I'd love to see Bradley as a six with Torres as a deep-lying playmaker, which won't happen; Bradley playing as a six with any of our options would be nice but I don't know if that'll happen). The attacking midfielders are a disaster. We have Donovan, Dempsey, and Bedoya being the best on paper but the first two are old, a bit washed up, and probably not good for a full 90, and Bedoya hasn't really shown a lot yet. Backups could be EJ, Zusi, and Shea (on the wings), and none of them are capable of doing well against good opponents. Altidore vs. Johannsson is a tough debate at striker but I think I prefer Altidore (partially because he's actually American).

Aside from the back five I have no idea who should/will play. And it's ugly (except at striker).
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bbakerxyz
Post #6
Sunday November 17, 2013 4:16pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 237
Original post from 2tone

I have being pondering this as of late. With the emergence of Iceman, I think the solution JK will come up with is this for his starting 11 for the WC in a 4-4-1-1:

---Jozy---
---AJ---
Deuce--Jones-MB90--Lando
Fabian--LCB-RCB--RB to be determined
---Howard---

I think obviously Besler and Gonzo are leading contenders to be the starters, But I still think Klinsmann likes Cameron a lot as a CB, and if Brooks reclaims his LCB position for Hertha then how can you not start him at the WC? He will be the only CB playing at a very high level.

Also this puts the USMNT's best attacking players on the field. I think it's becoming more logical to push Deuce back over to LW, a position he played for over 5 years. This will free up Deuce to be that third attacker in the box something that he has always thrived on. This also makes the right side stronger with Donovan.

Who will be the RB? Dolo will probably be the starting RB for the USMNT in the WC if he regains the starting job at Hannover.

Jones may or may not be the starter, but for right now, I still seem him as the starter come the WC.

Fabian plays LB and LW and RW for Hoffenheim, he will continue to rotate these positions with Hoffenheim. Is Fabian stronger than Beasley at LB? I think he is slightly better then Beas. Speed Beas may be a tad faster, but Fabian is stronger on the ball. Really Beas hasn't put a wrong foot forward, but right now I have Fabian ahead of him.

In the end I think the attacking quatro you see is the strongest attacking 4 the USMNT has right now. Funny thing is, is that AJ is now the new Charlie Davies. I think we will witness in 2014 what 2010 was supposed to look like with a healthy Charlie Davies.


I do like this line up, but I think just about everything is up in the air looking ahead to WC starters.

Who are your locks?
I only have MB90 & Howard. Fabian close. Lando, Dempsey, & JJ close, but their recent dips/injuries take them outta the lock category for me. Definitely AJ OR Jozy is/are a lock, but not necessarily both.

kernn63
Post #7
Sunday November 17, 2013 4:28pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 298
I think probably:
--JA---
--clint--
fj-mb-jones-lando
dmb-besler-cameron-dolo
--howard--

I don't think clint has played on the wing a single minute under Klinnsman and it's been quite some time that he's played there at the club level.

I'd like to try this out though in friendlies before cup...probably won't happen:
iceman-ja-lando
----clint-----
--mb90-jones-
fj-besler-cameron-dolo
--howard--

I keep seeing the chances that ice is creating and wonder how you can keep him off the field.

kernn63
Post #8
Sunday November 17, 2013 4:37pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 298
On second thought, I think this could be it.

---Ja--
--deuce-
lando-mb90-jones-bedoya
fj-besler-cameron-dolo
----howard----

Jzaval01
Post #9
Sunday November 17, 2013 6:48pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
Struggle to see cameron as a CB he has looked shaky quiet a few times. Maybe JK has it wrong? Cameron should be RB/CDM or and emergency CB. The guy plays EPL football at RB I mean what more can you ask? It should be either Gonzo and Besler
or Besler and Brooks. Gotta love how besler would clean up 90% mistakes that Gonzo or Brooks youthfulness can produce. Fabian Johnson just has to start in LB NOW WAY is Beasley or Evans a good enough option for starting XI during the world cup. We will get punish hard with the more physical or technical players going at Beasley or Evans. Imagine a C. Ronaldo / Alexis Sanchez or Jesus Navas attacking on the wings . Would get nightmares of that >.>. Dempsey in LM would be ideal now a days with Iceman playing so nicely. You can have Dempsey cut in since he isnt the typical LM which crosses and all while Fabian Johnson Runs up the attacking stretching any def. Or go back to old play where demsey is behind jozy and Landon (LM) and Zusi (RM) on the wings. Hopefully we have either Chandler commit or Dolo make a return. This would give us the Luxury of sliding Lichaj to LB. Let's not forget Stuart Holden! Still rate Holden > Jones. Afraid when jones has the ball in our defensive have and tries to be slick.
-Jozy-
-AJ/Deuce-
Deuce/Landon-Jones/Holden-Bradley-Landon/Zusi
Fabian--Besler-Gonzo/Brooks-Chandler/Dolo
-Howard-

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #10
Sunday November 17, 2013 7:25pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,450
Gonzo scares me to much. Not confident with his passing ability, continuously clears balls to the opposition, gets caught ball watching, and will always get beat by clever players. Stong suits aerial balls, and decent positioning.

Cameron: Sometimes a little over aggressive, but his reading of the game is excellent, his passing is excellent, and he has the ability to get forward if needed. Excellent in the air. Can get pulled out of position at times.

Besler: great passer, generally very good positioning. Weak in the air, and his 1v1 defending can be suspect at times.

Brooks: Has excellent upside. Excellent passer, reads the game very well, 1v1 defending is excellent, and rarely gets called for fouls on players. He went all last season without getting a yellow card. Getting stronger in the air.

Goodson: Has the most experience, great in the air, good positioning, sometimes to aggressive, gets caught out of position at times, passing is decent.

If it's me I would say Gonzo is the CB left off of the WC team.

Terr4one
Post #11
Sunday November 17, 2013 7:38pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 4
Despite how much fun it is to imagine different lineups and dramatic breakouts from new players the simple truth is:

Landon Donovan is still one of the three best players on the national team and will be starting.
Clint Dempsey and Michael Bradley are the other two (Goal Keeper excluded)
Unless something truly dramatic happens, Jozy Altidore is without question starting.
And as Brian Sciaretta has pointed out on this site the National team has much better results with Fabian Johnson in the midfield than at LB. His article was intelligent and conclusive. And this recent quote, from Brian, underlines the point.:

"Fabian Johnson is now viewed as a midfielder

Fabian Johnson is the best left back in the U.S national team. He also could be the best left midfielder for the U.S team as well. The team has been remarkably productive with him in advanced positions and Jurgen Klinsmann knows it."

All of which leaves five out of the six forward positions determined. The only question which remains is whether it is Graham Zusi or Mix Diskerud that plays the right side of the midfield. It is fun to talk about other players but it seems pretty clear that Jurgen Klinsmann will choose between those two. Judging by the qualifiers.

As for the defense: Besler is clearly starting. And if Brooks does get significant time at his club he will be a contender but if not Cameron has the other spot. Cherundolo has to get healthy and get time but if he does he's the right player for the right side. I think Brian Sciaretta covered what the best options are for L.B. but you all need something to yell about.

Now as for Aron Johannsson - you got to love him. Who can't hope for some young star to step out of the shadows and lead us to the promised land? But that hasn't happened yet. He's great at AZ but easy, easy boys and girls he still has several levels to climb before he's starting. He might get there, there's still time, but I can't see Klinsmann making anyone but Altidore and Dempsey as the starters up front (barring something truly dramatic).

(For a footnote I'll just say that Brek Shea would make a better Left Back than a midfielder or forward. - I want to give you guys something to yell and scream about - His size speed and ability to make long passes are ideal for a defender, while is inability to be really clever in tight spots makes him not so good when he plays forward. Having him overlap on the left side would be wonderful. But it is too late to make that sort of dramatic change so it's just fantasy on my part.)

So there you have nine of the starters carved in stone. Something to yell about at left back (despite the writers of all caps Beasley is, amongst the players we actually have, pretty darn good.) And a choice between two at right mid field.

Now finally, for the lineup fantasists amongst us, I'd like to see a four, four, three but with Landon given complete freedom of the field. So would that be a four, three, one, two? Sometimes. A four, four, two? sometimes. A four, three, three with Landon playing a right wing? sometimes. But I'm going to call it a four, three, three and let Landon roam.

admsghs27
Post #12
Sunday November 17, 2013 7:41pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Gonzo much better than cameron at CB. I think cameron should play rb v austria to see how he looks. But fabian has to be the lb for the world cup. Beasley would get torned up by world class wingers. And fabian could hold his own.

blaise213
Post #13
Sunday November 17, 2013 7:44pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,994
It all depends if klinsmann can land Shawn Parker and Julian green by World Cup

If so:

-------- AJ-------
------ Donovan----
Demps ------ Parker
---- Jones - Bradley ----
Fabian - Brooks - Gonzo - Cameron
------- Howard -----

admsghs27
Post #14
Sunday November 17, 2013 8:00pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Really no Altidore ? No way Parker will start let alone a spot in the 23.

stone88
Post #15
Sunday November 17, 2013 8:25pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,517
Original post from blaise213

It all depends if klinsmann can land Shawn Parker and Julian green by World Cup

If so:

-- AJ--
-- Donovan-
Demps -- Parker
- Jones - Bradley -
Fabian - Brooks - Gonzo - Cameron
-- Howard --




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