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skangles
DC
Post #1
Tuesday November 12, 2013 11:20pm

Joined Jan 2013
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We all have a player that we favor, a guy we want to see in the lineup and are bummed when they don't play. We're sticking with them through thick and thin.

Bob had Bornstein and Juergen has Beckerman, so who is your Bornstein?

For me it's Beasley. He's always been my favorite player, I love his speed and how he's rejuvenated his career. I would rather see him as a LW but I like him in our starting 11.

blaise213
San Francisco CA
Post #2
Tuesday November 12, 2013 11:59pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,313
I have lots of bornsteins (meaning, i dont want to see them on the team)

Demarcus beasley
Brad davis
Wondolowski
kyle beckerman
maurice edu
brad evans

navi8132
Post #3
Wednesday November 13, 2013 1:00am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,904
#1- Castillo
#2- Shea
#3- Boyd
#4- Ream
#5- Wondo
#6- Orozco
#7- Williams
#8- Corona (I know some of these people aren't in the picture any more)

navi8132
Post #4
Wednesday November 13, 2013 1:21am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,904
#9- Hamid
#10- Sean Johnson

The castillo choice refers to him at LB. I am happy to play him as LW. I think he deserves a go at LW.

tjknowsall
Post #5
Wednesday November 13, 2013 2:05am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 284
i think skangles mean our bornestien in the eyes of bradley, so someone u want to be on the team no matter how poorly they perform, and for me its agudelo and JAB right now

dolcem
Post #6
Wednesday November 13, 2013 2:14am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,034
Awesome thread.

Jose Francisco Torres.

I think he is a great player who has totally been misused by USNT coaches, similar to Paul Scholes for England (of course he's not in the same league as Paul Scholes and the USNT is not what England was in the 90's and 00's, it's just a comparison). Under Coach Bob he was played as a DM sitting behind Bradley (who didn't really have defense responsibilities). Klinsmann tried him as an attacking mid (mostly left wing and a little as the CAM; he also played LB once) and "gave him the keys to the team." It didn't work and after that he never really got many minutes after that. Last he played was the Gold Cup, on the left wing, and he actually played pretty well there (especially against Costa Rica; the British announcers said he was one of the best players of the tournament and were shocked he was left off for the final). Heck, I'd take him at left wing over guys like Shea, EJ, or even Zusi (whom I don't rate at all). But as badly as we need attacking midfielders with creativity, he clearly isn't comfortable in that zone of the field.

Torres is a deep-lying playmaker CM and has played a grand total of 45 minutes as a CM under Klinsmann. If played there in our 4-5-1, particularly with a #6, not only would he excel, the team would be better for it. He could be the link between the defense and the attacking players. Against good teams sometimes we have a hard time passing the ball and maintaining possession (although we're a thousand times better at this than we were under Coach Bob) and he'd help us immensely in that regard. I definitely think he is better than Diskerud and Kljestan. I think the biggest personnel mistake Klinsmann has made has been not trying him out as a CM. And what blows my mind is that other NT fans don't think he's any good...they say he hasn't played well for us but how can you fault him for not playing well when he's been played out of position?

I'm not the coach though and I'm not an expert (just a fan) so you won't see me bitching about this all over the forum. I've mentioned it a couple times in the appropriate threads and that's it; I don't repeat myself. It's just my .02 and nothing more.
NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WHAT LINEUP YOU USE IN FIFA
skangles
DC
Post #7
Wednesday November 13, 2013 2:22am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,901
Original post from tjknowsall

i think skangles mean our bornestien in the eyes of bradley, so someone u want to be on the team no matter how poorly they perform, and for me its agudelo and JAB right now


Yeah, exactly, that's what I meant. I should have known better than to throw Bornstein's name out there like that... it just causes MNT fans to break things in frustration.

dolcem
Post #8
Wednesday November 13, 2013 3:28am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,034
Original post from skangles

Yeah, exactly, that's what I meant. I should have known better than to throw Bornstein's name out there like that... it just causes MNT fans to break things in frustration.


Wait, so what is it then? Someone you rate more highly than other fans do or someone you just like so much you want them on the field no matter what? I said Torres was my Bornstein because I think he's better than other fans do. But I don't have a hard-on for him the way Coach Bob did for Bornstein. If he played poorly I would admit that I was wrong. I don't have any favorites I would play no matter how they did.

Off-topic, if we were to list our Bornsteins (meaning players we think are bad but overrated by the coach), I'd have to go with Wondolowski, Brad Davis, and Zusi. I know I'll catch a lot of flak for the last one but that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Sure he's a great guy and put in some admirable performances but let's face it, he is just not suited for anything outside of CONCACAF. And even then he usually has one good moment and does absolutely nothing for the rest of the game. If he's our starter in Brazil (which he probably will be) than we're in serious trouble.
NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WHAT LINEUP YOU USE IN FIFA
skangles
DC
Post #9
Wednesday November 13, 2013 3:45am

Joined Jan 2013
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Original post from dolcem

Wait, so what is it then? Someone you rate more highly than other fans do or someone you just like so much you want them on the field no matter what? I said Torres was my Bornstein because I think he's better than other fans do. But I don't have a hard-on for him the way Coach Bob did for Bornstein. If he played poorly I would admit that I was wrong. I don't have any favorites I would play no matter how they did.

Off-topic, if we were to list our Bornsteins (meaning players we think are bad but overrated by the coach), I'd have to go with Wondolowski, Brad Davis, and Zusi. I know I'll catch a lot of flak for the last one but that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Sure he's a great guy and put in some admirable performances but let's face it, he is just not suited for anything outside of CONCACAF. And even then he usually has one good moment and does absolutely nothing for the rest of the game. If he's our starter in Brazil (which he probably will be) than we're in serious trouble.


Yeah man, you caught my drift originally. Torres is a good example, I'm personally not all that high on him but there's potential there making him a perfect Bornstein for you.

I'm just waiting for Rain to chime in with Kljestan.

bjelks
Post #10
Wednesday November 13, 2013 4:00am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 146
"Bornstein" - players not cut for international level but coach continues to play without any justification.

1) Beckerman
2) Zusi
3) Evans
4) Gomez
5) Goodson
6) Castillo
7) Torres

Demarcus Beasley is still the most versatile player we have. He's played big roles on championship teams in Holland and Scotland. Also, has started in the Champs League Semi-final game.

Maurice Edu still put up our best CB performance of the year at Azteca against Mexico under pressure for 90 solid.

Shea is a matchup nightmare and is always dangerous when healthy.

Boyd is lighting up Austria and is on the verge of being a superstar.
goalsense
EKneezy
Post #11
Wednesday November 13, 2013 4:18am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,776
I'll defend MB90 till I die.

Chandler is also I player I root for and like to watch. He gets a bad rap from that Honduras game.

Edu is a player I like alot just that in possession dude frightens the hell out of me.

MSantoine
Post #12
Wednesday November 13, 2013 12:55pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,125
It would be Chandler to me. No matter how poorly he plays for Nuremburg (and hes actually not playing poorly). No one ill convince me we're better off with Evans over him. Chandler could stop making the gameday 18 and Id still want him in at RB

dstones77
Hagerstown, MD
Post #13
Wednesday November 13, 2013 2:23pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 216
I still truly think Chandler starts at the WC.. He'll be at the January camp. He's miles better than any other RB we have.

hamsamwich
Post #14
Wednesday November 13, 2013 3:04pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 464
Fabian Johnson.

I like watching him play, although he frequently drifts out of position and takes odd touches that lead to bad turnovers. He also can play in a lot places on the field, and although i'm not sure he is yet part of our "best 11"- if we have one - i believe he must play. Fabian gets in the mix in the offensive third really well, and has shown signs of really playing well. Instead of him being an LB like Bornstein or a LW, sometimes i think he should be the one ahead of bradley and jones behind the striker. He is very creative, though naive, and could either really cost us with youthful mistakes in Brazil, or make a name for himself. Either way it will be fun to watch

MSantoine
Post #15
Wednesday November 13, 2013 4:03pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,125
Original post from dstones77

I still truly think Chandler starts at the WC.. He'll be at the January camp. He's miles better than any other RB we have.


Jan Camp is for MLS guys, Scandanavian guys, and Euros serving long suspensions (see Joners, Jermaine 2012)

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