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hamsamwich
Post #31
Tuesday November 12, 2013 6:50am

Joined Oct 2013
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Besler is better than Jay DeMerit, he is a much better passer of the ball, less of a physical presence.

I second that Mike Magee choice, got to see him a lot this year in person for Chicago, he was so hyped up as a kid around here for the Magic, it was good to see him return to Chicago as an adult and pick up the Boot. Good forward, more rounded than wondo

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #32
Tuesday November 12, 2013 4:17pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 173
Original post from bbakerxyz

I told you why not Spain: quality of the league, language, culture, playing style, few US ties to Spanish clubs (eg, coaches, player history), etc. Doesn't mean zero chance of any of our guys going there for a 2 month loan this winter, but highly freakin' unlikely.

The "arrogant and ignorant" comment gives me a good laugh. Reminds me of what we used to say about Harvard MBAs: "Sometimes right, never in doubt."


I agree that it's unlikely that guys will go play in Spain. More because the EPL and MLS have formed a good relationship and everyone is more open to that idea.

If a player does not speak Spanish it would be pointless to go there on a two week loan. However, Spanish is 2nd among spoken languages in the United States. Yo Hablo Espanol A Propůsito (I speak Spanish by the way). So for players who do speak Spanish I see no reason they could not go to a La Liga on a loan.

As far as the quality of the league goes. If Americans continue to believe they are inferior then they will always be perceived that way. You miss 100% of the chances you do not take. I found it amusing when you said no one could play in Spain then listed two guys who already did.

Arsenal904
Jacksonville Florida
Post #33
Tuesday November 12, 2013 5:03pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 11
Saying an American player couldn't play in Spain is like saying that they would be the worst player in the league by default just because they are American. Hell, I remember a time when people said Americans couldn't cut it in England... How'd that turnout?

Now, don't get me wrong... I agree 100% on the language deal. If they don't speak Spanish it would be a huge issue, but like many have stated...I'm sure a lot of the American players speak Spanish.

bbakerxyz
Post #34
Tuesday November 12, 2013 5:52pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Si se pueda. Hopefully someone like Gil can go to Spain in a couple of years.

Interesting to look at Mexico/La Liga and US/EPL. Mexican players much better than Americans (yes, this is a broad stroke, but let's say in the aggregate and up until 10 years ago) but fewer Mexicans going over to Spain and having success than I would think vs. Americans going to England.

Arsenal904
Jacksonville Florida
Post #35
Tuesday November 12, 2013 6:28pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 11
Also on the language topic... I doubt Bedoya speaks French...or at least didn't when he made the move to France. It's not the be all end all of a move to a country the speaks a different language. Did Bradley speak German, or Italian when he made those moves?

mattgerlach
Florida
Post #36
Tuesday November 12, 2013 9:12pm

Joined Mar 2012
Total Posts: 13
A quote from Klinsmann through Soccer by Ives:

"If a player has the opportunity to go on loan, you've got to go for it. You're in real competition, you're in a real competitive environment, you've got to have a point to prove and kick-start 2014 that way. We all observe their individual situation. Whenever we can be of help, we will be. But it is important to us to cut short their vacation time, not making it longer than four weeks in December because it would take far too long to get back into shape and get back into a rhythm before the beginning of 2014 and we can't afford that."

I agree that it would be important for our CBs to head Europe. No one is talking Germany, but I'm sure if JK wants players in Europe he has plenty of strings to pull.

I haven't read this anywhere but what about L. Donovan reuniting with Moyes at United after 2 successful loans at Everton?

Dempsey is well enough respected in BPL that any mid-level team would snatch him up for 2 months.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #37
Tuesday November 12, 2013 9:40pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 4,106
Sorry don't believe this for one minute. MLS season starts the beginning of March, all potential MLS players will be in Mid-season form come when Klinsmann assembles the May camp.

It's in Seattle's best interest to have Dempsey in Pre-season with his teammates not playing for a European team. Essentially these guys would be loaned out for a month not two. And what will a month loan do for a player, not much. But there is a high potential of these players getting injured while on loan. That hurts the USMNT, their parent clubs in MLS, and MLS as a league.

navi8132
Post #38
Tuesday November 12, 2013 10:17pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,596
What was the rumor I heard about the problems in Sounders locker room...centered around the DPs

MSantoine
Post #39
Wednesday November 13, 2013 12:59pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,611
Original post from mattgerlach

I haven't read this anywhere but what about L. Donovan reuniting with Moyes at United after 2 successful loans at Everton?

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Landon spoke last week (SI? maybe ESPN) and said his goal is to begin training in January and will go to the Jan camp if JK wants him there, assuming no setbacks in training/recovery. To me that sounds like a guy who isnt even thinking about heading to Europe for a spell

hamsamwich
Post #40
Wednesday November 13, 2013 3:12pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 217
Original post from 2tone

Sorry don't believe this for one minute. MLS season starts the beginning of March, all potential MLS players will be in Mid-season form come when Klinsmann assembles the May camp.

It's in Seattle's best interest to have Dempsey in Pre-season with his teammates not playing for a European team. Essentially these guys would be loaned out for a month not two. And what will a month loan do for a player, not much. But there is a high potential of these players getting injured while on loan. That hurts the USMNT, their parent clubs in MLS, and MLS as a league.
I agree with a lot of this, especially the stuff about Dempsey, but there is also the unspoken possiblity of a player getting sold, rather than loaned... In which case, I think it would be a good thing in a World Cup year as the team who would buy would theoretically be buying the player to play said player rather than leaving them on the bench. Getting a one or two month loan is a bit of a strange idea, although with how competitive English and other European clubs are, I would never discount the one, two month loan to happen

Know Nothing
Post #41
Wednesday November 13, 2013 6:10pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 230
I can see loans being beneficial to our younger players, but for LD and Deuce they make no sense...they already know what to expect and quite frankly if they are in JK's plans perhaps giving older legs a rest is the better course.

It would be good for players like Zusi, Besler, Gonzo, and maybe even Evans to get experience in a new environment, even if they do not get on the pitch. It is an opportunity to evolve as a player in a tactical sense.

Arsenal904
Jacksonville Florida
Post #42
Thursday November 14, 2013 9:06pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 11
Dempsey.

http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1615631/cli...

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #43
Thursday November 14, 2013 9:48pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 946
Yeah saw this on the BBC gossip page this morning, but they were referencing a Daily Mirror article:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transf...

Spurs have first dibs (right of first refusal) but given their midfield situation I don't expect they'll take him...Fulham sure could use him about now, though.

Jzaval01
Post #44
Friday November 15, 2013 12:55am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 844
Might sound stupid but how would you feel if dempsey went to sunderland given their lack of play making and just simple passing and scoring droughts? If he went to sunderland he can maybe help the club rack some point and open spots of attack for Jozy. But then again he could also go and have a bad effect on Jozy playing time. Just a curious thought ...

skangles
DC
Post #45
Friday November 15, 2013 3:38am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,274
Original post from MSantoine

Landon spoke last week (SI? maybe ESPN) and said his goal is to begin training in January and will go to the Jan camp if JK wants him there, assuming no setbacks in training/recovery. To me that sounds like a guy who isnt even thinking about heading to Europe for a spell


Good, I don't know what a loan does for a guy like Landon. He needs to secure his spot with the MNT and he's better off doing that while actually being with the MNT. Plus this camp isn't going to be the typical Camp Cupcake as we'll have legitimate World Cup contenders playing in a game in LA and one in Sao Paolo.

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