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Arsenal904
Jacksonville Florida
Post #16
Sunday November 10, 2013 4:25pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 15
Original post from skangles

Donovan and Dempsey are what they are, although perhaps a European loan could help Dempsey get his groove back.


Dempsey has been really poor lately....and with the way JK has shown he'll drop ANYONE no matter who they are... I think that could scare a few bigger names into trying to impress on a loan move.

bbakerxyz
Post #17
Sunday November 10, 2013 6:09pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 237
Spain? For any of our guys? Seriously? A 2 month loan in the top flight in Spain?

Oh, wait, wait. . . I heard a rumor that one of our guys is going on a loan spell to Spain. It's tough to take some of you guys seriously with the verbal diarrhea going on here.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #18
Sunday November 10, 2013 6:31pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 277
Original post from bbakerxyz

Spain? For any of our guys? Seriously? A 2 month loan in the top flight in Spain?

Oh, wait, wait. . . I heard a rumor that one of our guys is going on a loan spell to Spain. It's tough to take some of you guys seriously with the verbal diarrhea going on here.


No idea what your trying to say here? Is there some reason one of our players could not play in spain? There are 2 very good teams, then lots of mediocre teams.

thisguy2
Inland empire
Post #19
Sunday November 10, 2013 9:06pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 194
Mediocre teams in Spain?! Wow dude must not know his football. Those mediocre teams have whipped those top teams in English football! Also those two very good teams have beaten English teams and are the best in the world....
Thisguy2
Arsenal904
Jacksonville Florida
Post #20
Monday November 11, 2013 1:38am

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 15
Original post from thisguy2

Mediocre teams in Spain?! Wow dude must not know his football. Those mediocre teams have whipped those top teams in English football! Also those two very good teams have beaten English teams and are the best in the world....


Tell that to Bayern & Dortmund .... But this is getting a bit off topic.

lcutri
Post #21
Monday November 11, 2013 1:11pm

Joined Aug 2013
Total Posts: 19
We've seen Donovan and Dempsey in Europe and have seen them excel. We know what they have and what they can do. I'm talking about new players who haven't been to Europe yet. Our young players or next generation. I don't know if anyone else have heard of any US players who have come straight from school here in the US and having success in Europe in EPL, BUndesliga, La Liga, Serie A, or Ligue 1?

hamsamwich
Post #22
Monday November 11, 2013 1:29pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 513
Yeah I guess you are right Bbaker, sending Besler to england would be so much better, its really worked well for Tim Ream hasn't it. Besler isn't an aerial wonder, he more uses speed and angles and good footwork. Offensively, he plays the ball well with his feet and is composed, something that would also go over well in Spain. Yes, I am serious, he is our best defender so why not challenge himself to the next level. Or where would you suggest he go, Norwich or something? Waiting for an answer, and if its KC eating bbq, then save it

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #23
Monday November 11, 2013 2:56pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,153
Original post from hamsamwich

Yeah I guess you are right Bbaker, sending Besler to england would be so much better, its really worked well for Tim Ream hasn't it. Besler isn't an aerial wonder, he more uses speed and angles and good footwork. Offensively, he plays the ball well with his feet and is composed, something that would also go over well in Spain. Yes, I am serious, he is our best defender so why not challenge himself to the next level. Or where would you suggest he go, Norwich or something? Waiting for an answer, and if its KC eating bbq, then save it


Don't make the mistake of sending him above his grade...Jay DeMerit did really well, get Besler in at a top half League One team where he'll actually get some minutes and keep him fresh. Let him dip his toe in the European waters and see if he wants to go for a swim, but I think we're past the point now of trying to force a move for the sake of that being the better place to be for development.

bbakerxyz
Post #24
Monday November 11, 2013 3:11pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 237
My comment was more around the feasibility of a move, not what I WANT to happen. Of course I'd love most of our MLS guys to do 2 months in the EPL, but only if they can get several 1st team games in. If not, they're better off in a USMNT camp. 2 months in the Championship would be fine too.

And thanks for dude semi-backing me up about Spain being a lot more than Barca & Real Madrid. Look, it's tough for me to admit it too as a white-blooded Anglo Saxon, but Spain is better than the EPL, it's as simple as that. Spain was better last year, better the year before, better this year, and we'll see about next year, but for now, Spain is clearly better than the EPL. I know one result doesn't prove anything, but Real Sociedad's tie (would have been a win if it weren't for that embarrassing dive) last week over ManU is evidence of the superiority of the Spanish league. RS is 7th in Spain, and yes, ManU is like 7th in England but their win over Arsenal to me shows that they are going to be up there in the EPL at the end.

But I digress. . . my point is that, c'mon for some little quick move can you expect an American to just slot into a team in Spain. Beyond the strength of the league it's more about culture and language. And precedent too. What American has ever had success in Spain? Kasey Keller? That was in the 2nd division. And he's a goalie for chrissakes. And Tab played in the 2nd division too. What was that 20 years ago? And the dude probably speaks Spanish, not to mention he was a magician on the ball.

the initial comment was something I'd expect Adms.. to say. I use these threads primarily to get news, not horseshit.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #25
Monday November 11, 2013 4:47pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 277
Original post from bbakerxyz

the initial comment was something I'd expect Adms.. to say. I use these threads primarily to get news, not horseshit.


Interesting, I offer a different opinion and the response I get is, "this dude must not know his soccer" and your stupid comment above. So an opinion which does not match yours is horse shit? You can argue which league is the best, people do it every year. I don't really care about that. What I am saying is that other than the top 2 teams most teams in the Spanish league are at least comparable to EPL teams. If our guys can play in EPL why not Spain. Your posts come off as arrogant and ignorant. You're not the soccer guru you think you are.

tylercocinas
Post #26
Monday November 11, 2013 8:39pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 755
Original post from bbakerxyz

Real Sociedad's tie (would have been a win if it weren't for that embarrassing dive) last week over ManU is evidence of the superiority of the Spanish league. RS is 7th in Spain, and yes, ManU is like 7th in England but their win over Arsenal to me shows that they are going to be up there in the EPL at the end.


I think the Spanish game is different from the EPL. Perhaps in the past 2 years one could conceivably argue that it has overtaken the EPL but the difference is negligible at best. I mean even this year there are at least 10 sides in the EPL that play great, quality football if you include Swans, Southampton, Newcastle, and Everton in addition to the big clubs.

Additionally, Real Sociedad has top 4 quality just like Manchester United. If they lacked quality, they wouldn't be in the Champions League. They were balling out literally all last season.

bbakerxyz
Post #27
Monday November 11, 2013 10:39pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 237
I told you why not Spain: quality of the league, language, culture, playing style, few US ties to Spanish clubs (eg, coaches, player history), etc. Doesn't mean zero chance of any of our guys going there for a 2 month loan this winter, but highly freakin' unlikely.

The "arrogant and ignorant" comment gives me a good laugh. Reminds me of what we used to say about Harvard MBAs: "Sometimes right, never in doubt."

GD10
Post #28
Tuesday November 12, 2013 12:54am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 240
Maybe a loan for Mike Magee which would be interesting.

MSantoine
Post #29
Tuesday November 12, 2013 1:48am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,184
Original post from bbakerxyz

I told you why not Spain: quality of the league, language, culture, playing style, few US ties to Spanish clubs (eg, coaches, player history), etc. t."


You realize we have more Mexican/Americans than any other dual nationality. I know Spanish & Mexican are different countries with different dialects but its close enough where they would be able to handle the transition and communicate with teamates

Arsenal904
Jacksonville Florida
Post #30
Tuesday November 12, 2013 5:41am

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 15
Original post from MSantoine

You realize we have more Mexican/Americans than any other dual nationality. I know Spanish & Mexican are different countries with different dialects but its close enough where they would be able to handle the transition and communicate with teamates


Agreed. Hell, Landon Donovan speaks pretty good Spanish and he's not even Spanish.

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