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dunlopp9987
Post #16
Sunday September 14, 2014 5:43am

Joined Mar 2013
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Original post from TheTruth

Jozy's just not that good. Been saying it for years. One of those guys that doesn't get much better after the age of 18. You gotta be careful about the guys who grow early - Santino Quaranta, Shea was kinda like that too.


Well that's actually just not true. He scored 39 goals in 67 appearances for AZ. You don't do that if you're not a good player. Even if it's in the Eredivisie. You have to have talent to do that.
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #17
Sunday September 14, 2014 6:05am

Joined Jul 2012
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I disagree that Jozy isn't a good player, he is a good player. I think what's evident is that Jozy isn't as good as we all would like him to be.

Until another striker steps up in a big way, Jozy will continue to be the starting striker for the USMNT.

But I do hope Zardes gets some meaningful minutes in the October friendly's. Klinsmann needs to fin other options, and to give those options meaningful minutes. You can't rely on Jozy all of the time.

Don't be surprised to see Charlie Davies get a recall to the USMNT sometime in the next few months. He has been really good for New England the past month since he grabbed a hold of the starting striker spot for New England. 3 goals and 3 assist might not sound great, but those goals and assists have come since the end of July. Meaning in a month and about two weeks he has scored 3 goals and assisted 3 times. Pretty good stats for a month and a couple of weeks.

blaise213
Post #18
Sunday September 14, 2014 6:40am

Joined Sep 2012
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Injured Terrence Boyd > Altidore
Injured Aron Johannsson > Altidore

admsghs27
Post #19
Sunday September 14, 2014 9:01am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
@2 tone no I'm sorry but Jozy has been a disater can not rate him up there I would tame Boyd, johansson, zardes when their good over a fit altidore at this moment. Jurgen is unpredictable he will leave Jozy out he has done it before he does not rate him as high. Zardes has a golden chance if called hope starts a game.

hamsamwich
Post #20
Sunday September 14, 2014 2:21pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Jozy in MLS with a team full of good veteran players> zardes. That's how I see it at this point. Jozy has had good seasons too let's not forget that. Bunch of bandwagon jumpers ready to ditch altidore at the drop of a hat. Yet like brek Shea he will inevitably score a goal like the cup winner v panama and all will eat crow yet again. Jozy isn't the best, but he is a stand up person and has a good attitude for the game, was our captain in Prague. Don't be a bunch of cynical assholes just because Sunderland is garbage.

I saw all you haters jumping up and down in Jacksonville v Nigeria because secretly in your hearts you know jozy is a stud.

TheTruth
Post #21
Monday September 15, 2014 1:51am

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Original post from 2tone

I disagree that Jozy isn't a good player, he is a good player. I think what's evident is that Jozy isn't as good as we all would like him to be.

Until another striker steps up in a big way, Jozy will continue to be the starting striker for the USMNT.

But I do hope Zardes gets some meaningful minutes in the October friendly's. Klinsmann needs to fin other options, and to give those options meaningful minutes. You can't rely on Jozy all of the time.

Don't be surprised to see Charlie Davies get a recall to the USMNT sometime in the next few months. He has been really good for New England the past month since he grabbed a hold of the starting striker spot for New England. 3 goals and 3 assist might not sound great, but those goals and assists have come since the end of July. Meaning in a month and about two weeks he has scored 3 goals and assisted 3 times. Pretty good stats for a month and a couple of weeks.


Yeah, Jozy isn't as good as we all would like him to be - that pretty much sums it up. Obviously he's at least "good" given his performance in Holland.

You've been proven right be being pro-Zardes for over a year now. Let's hope he continues to improve (ie, his ball skills).

Rey Regicide
Post #22
Tuesday September 16, 2014 12:20pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Alot of national teams have players who fans of the team know, and truly pull for, the form in the player. But they would rate another player, possibly of less reknown, even possibly of less functionality over said player because of how he fits into their system. I heard fans FRance talk about Trezeguet, Brazil talk about Pato, Argentina talk about Cruz over milito and crespo...

It's not that we don't acknowledge the class of the player, but we also see the square peg trying to be placed into a different geometrical cut out.

I think the Holland experience, the Nigeria game, etc those were successes because Jozy had to deal less with hold up play, and just instinctively reacted to the ball's trajectory. I think when he has to do things he's not comfortable with, or second nature to him he takes too much time or chooses the wrong thing to do. Not because he's not intelligent enough, but because he's just not accustomed to doing it.

This is almost an opposite of a guy like Fab J who is a very high football IQ. Can literally play ANY position on the field and contribute. But if you place him in a dedicated role (RB) he doesn't out perform someone like Yedlin. Where simple administered tasks suited his athletic skill set. ( get out there, get into people's faces, burn the flank.)

MSantoine
Post #23
Tuesday September 16, 2014 7:35pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Rey Regicide

Alot of national teams have players who fans of the team know, and truly pull for, the form in the player. But they would rate another player, possibly of less reknown, even possibly of less functionality over said player because of how he fits into their system. I heard fans FRance talk about Trezeguet, Brazil talk about Pato, Argentina talk about Cruz over milito and crespo...

It's not that we don't acknowledge the class of the player, but we also see the square peg trying to be placed into a different geometrical cut out.

I think the Holland experience, the Nigeria game, etc those were successes because Jozy had to deal less with hold up play, and just instinctively reacted to the ball's trajectory. I think when he has to do things he's not comfortable with, or second nature to him he takes too much time or chooses the wrong thing to do. Not because he's not intelligent enough, but because he's just not accustomed to doing it.

This is almost an opposite of a guy like Fab J who is a very high football IQ. Can literally play ANY position on the field and contribute. But if you place him in a dedicated role (RB) he doesn't out perform someone like Yedlin. Where simple administered tasks suited his athletic skill set. ( get out there, get into people's faces, burn the flank.)


Its the backup QB syndrome that exists in all sports everywhere. If your team doesnt have an all star caliber player at a poistion, then the younger unproven guy MIGHT be an all star if we give him a chance. Sometimes your right (Seattle going with Wilson) sometimes your wrong (Buffalo going with Manuel). You see it in baseball. If someone performs outstanding in AAA people call for the team to trade the vertan starter, even if hes almost all star caliber because the young guy may become an MVP caliber guy. So in soccer when fans see a youngish guy perform great against lesser opponents (Regionalia, Austrian League, low level teams) then that country think he can do just as good with a national team.

Rey Regicide
Post #24
Tuesday September 16, 2014 7:49pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Original post from MSantoine

Its the backup QB syndrome that exists in all sports everywhere. If your team doesnt have an all star caliber player at a poistion, then the younger unproven guy MIGHT be an all star if we give him a chance. Sometimes your right (Seattle going with Wilson) sometimes your wrong (Buffalo going with Manuel). You see it in baseball. If someone performs outstanding in AAA people call for the team to trade the vertan starter, even if hes almost all star caliber because the young guy may become an MVP caliber guy. So in soccer when fans see a youngish guy perform great against lesser opponents (Regionalia, Austrian League, low level teams) then that country think he can do just as good with a national team.


That is viable too. But my examples were with the case where stars are already in p lay, but their national team fans do not prefer them over lesser known quantities. Sometimes its a fashionable thing, other times it's due to actually fitting the team.

I fear my argument falls short because it would be hard for us, with very limited evidence tot put Altidore as a world class talent. I think he's great at what he does when given the right situation, but in the estimation of the biggest evaluators all over the world, he doesn't seem to elicit that type of opinion. =( I fall in the camp of, I know he's the best talent we have at the forward position, but at the same time, we might operate better with different types of players, Zardes might be that guy.

cudevil
Post #25
Tuesday September 23, 2014 8:04pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 989
Jozy with a goal against Stoke...

db707
Post #26
Tuesday September 23, 2014 8:05pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,018
Original post from cudevil

Jozy with a goal against Stoke...


Let's hope it's like London (or Sunderland) buses...

Jzaval01
Post #27
Tuesday September 23, 2014 8:08pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
Pretty solid Stoke team to add. You cant say it a 2nd or 3rd division team. Still he working his way slowly good stuff

dunlopp9987
Post #28
Tuesday September 23, 2014 9:41pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,642
Was checking out a Sunderland board, sounds like it was a pretty good strike. A little like his goal against Chelsea.
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Jzaval01
Post #29
Tuesday September 23, 2014 9:47pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
and... that how terrible Sunderland is. Concede two to a defender and lose

Jzaval01
Post #30
Tuesday September 23, 2014 9:54pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
Jozy goal

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2208566-jo....com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-UK

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