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oldkeeper
NY, NY
Post #1
Thursday October 24, 2013 9:31pm

Joined Jun 2013
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http://www.ussoccer.com/news/mens-national-te...

It's about time...JK is requiring any players not on loan in Europe or not still involved in the MLS playoffs who want to be a part of Brazil to participate in a training camp during the off season. It's a long year for some of these guys but form quickly falls off with just a few weeks off. Look at Dempsey for example. The crazy thing is that there are people all over the web posting that they think this is an awful idea. Hate to say it but a typical American response that we should get to do it the way we've always done. I love the USA, but this is one of the reasons we've never been a world power in soccer. JK is a World Cup winner, Bundesliga winner, and one of the better strikers who ever lived. He's been trying to bring to the US the work ethic and dedication that made him and the teams he played for great, and people still complain. For the guys at the top level, it's a way of life, a total commitment, and everything else comes second. This is awesome and it's about damn time. This will show who has the heart and desire to go.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #2
Thursday October 24, 2013 9:36pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
I remember I got a stern talking to (from MSantoine, I believe) for proposing a system by which most of the eligible WC players (MLS) should be forced to go on loan to keep themselves fresh and fit the entire year. The complaint was that we'd effectively be taking away any down time between the end of the MLS season and the beginning of the WC, but I think it'll also show who's got the most heart and desire to be included.

Smart move, IMO.

skangles
DC
Post #3
Thursday October 24, 2013 9:47pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Good. Another key point to this interview was that there will be 2 games in January: one in LA and the other in Sao Paolo.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #4
Thursday October 24, 2013 9:53pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Well, it all depends on a Club in Europe taking these guys in for training. Or are you talking about the mandatory January camp?

A player can't force his way into a teams training camp if that team doesn't want said player.

You can't force any player to go on loan because it's up to the Club team to ask for that player on loan.

And there is something to be said for burning out these player as well. They are effectively playing 12+ months of non-stop soccer.

Lets say Donovan, Dempsey, Gonzo, Besler, and Zusi go out on loan, and then boom because of physical and mental fatigue Dempsey, Donovan, and Gonzo get season ending injuries while on loan. Not only does that hurt their parent club financially and player personnel, it also dramatically hurts the USMNT.

Loans should not be mandatory, they should be on a player basis. Either way I could care less. If the player wants to go on loan then go on loan, but if a potential WC 2014 USMNT player feels he needs to stay home in the off season then by all means stay home and rest.

But, IMO it's nonsense to suggest a loan in January to February will keep these guys in shape and in form for a tournament that starts in June. MLS effectively starts the first week of march. All MLS players will be in mid-season form come the start of the WC in June.

And a mandatory USMNT training camp is nothing new, it's called the January camp which has been happening long before Klinsmann entered the equation.

bbakerxyz
Post #5
Thursday October 24, 2013 10:10pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 237
Yeah, I'll give another qualified push back to the wave of opinion on this one. I actually think we gained an advantage in the last couple of WCs with many of our players having an easier schedule than the beasts that play in the Champions League an everything else.

The top players are getting ridden like horses. don't know how they do it. Yeah, yeah, I get it they're world class athletes and all that, but it's not the running around that we'll get you, it's the getting kicked for 11 and a half months straight.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #6
Thursday October 24, 2013 10:22pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
Original post from 2tone

Well, it all depends on a Club in Europe taking these guys in for training. Or are you talking about the mandatory January camp?

A player can't force his way into a teams training camp if that team doesn't want said player.

You can't force any player to go on loan because it's up to the Club team to ask for that player on loan.

And there is something to be said for burning out these player as well. They are effectively playing 12+ months of non-stop soccer.

Lets say Donovan, Dempsey, Gonzo, Besler, and Zusi go out on loan, and then boom because of physical and mental fatigue Dempsey, Donovan, and Gonzo get season ending injuries while on loan. Not only does that hurt their parent club financially and player personnel, it also dramatically hurts the USMNT.

Loans should not be mandatory, they should be on a player basis. Either way I could care less. If the player wants to go on loan then go on loan, but if a potential WC 2014 USMNT player feels he needs to stay home in the off season then by all means stay home and rest.

But, IMO it's nonsense to suggest a loan in January to February will keep these guys in shape and in form for a tournament that starts in June. MLS effectively starts the first week of march. All MLS players will be in mid-season form come the start of the WC in June.

And a mandatory USMNT training camp is nothing new, it's called the January camp which has been happening long before Klinsmann entered the equation.


very true, but at this point wouldn't it be almost as advantageous to have those players just training with a European team as it would for an official loan, rather than having those few months completely off?

rjw77
Post #7
Thursday October 24, 2013 10:51pm

Joined Jul 2013
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I didn't see how he said the loans were mandatory at all. It sounded like to me that he said the only way any of the MLS-based National team players are not participating in the January camp is if they go out on loan. No one is being forced to go endure two months of a European league right after a full MLS season. Only encouraged.

The January camp is somewhat more interesting this year seeing as a lot of our core players are apart of MLS i.e. Donovan (wasn't apart of last year's camp), Dempsey, Zusi, Besler, Gonzalez , Goodson, Evans, EJ and even guys like Beckerman and Davis and maybe even Jermaine Jones if he transfers to MLS. You really can't call it Camp Cupcake anymore.

admsghs27
Post #8
Thursday October 24, 2013 11:54pm

Joined Nov 2012
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So is he gonna call up the players or some mls can volunteer to be part of the camp. What about the bundesliga players that will be in winter break, and also the Scandinavian players. ?

Ironman
Post #9
Friday October 25, 2013 12:54am

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 13
If a USNT player is not participating in the MLS Cup playoffs or called in for the two November friendlies they should be shut down. After MLS playoffs conclude all the players should be shut down.

In other words, unless you're playing games in November, you shouldn't be playing.

It's called recuperation, which is just as important as training.

Come January, any USNT player that is in their off-season should be in the January camp. Screw loans. Build the player's fitness and the team, overall, during the two mini-camps, one in LA and the other in Brazil. Play two games or more. Hopefully they play Brazil (a collection from the Brazilian league) while down there.

admsghs27
Post #10
Friday October 25, 2013 1:04am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,159
True no players in the playoffs should start right away and play, they need a break. Specially players like Donovan, beckerman, goodson, ext who have been going non stop since the season started and in the gold cup, ccl, qualifying games ext. They should get a whole month off before beginning any soccer duties..

MSantoine
Post #11
Friday October 25, 2013 5:44pm

Joined Nov 2012
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I cant wait for one of these players who is forced to keep playing gets hurt and everyone says its because they havent had a break. Even professional athletes need to let their bodies recover from the physical toll after a long season

rjw77
Post #12
Friday October 25, 2013 6:17pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 265
The MLS players will have all of December off unless they choose to go on loan.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #13
Friday October 25, 2013 7:07pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
Original post from MSantoine

I cant wait for one of these players who is forced to keep playing gets hurt and everyone says its because they havent had a break. Even professional athletes need to let their bodies recover from the physical toll after a long season


i understand that's a potential danger, but no one is saying that "no break" is what needs to happen. give them a couple weeks off and get them back into training.

Lykou11601
Post #14
Saturday October 26, 2013 8:16pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 122
Didn't want to start a new thread. If Dempsey and Donovan go out on loan, where is the best fit? I don't see Dempsey being too helpful at any of these clubs. I could see Donovan at all three though


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