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Post #106
Friday April 14, 2017 11:04pm

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Original post from Rey Regicide

Nagbe of course, why not Nagbe?


Diskerud is at least as good as Nagbe, and if he plays well this year, I don't see why he wouldn't be an option, either. I'm not saying Diskerud should start. But if the best option is Nagbe, I think Diskerud at least deserves to be in the conversation. That's all I'm saying.
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Rey Regicide
Post #107
Monday April 17, 2017 12:27pm

Joined Sep 2013
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Does anyone feel like I do?

With Puli, Wood, Dempsey etc throw Altidore Fabian in there...

we have like enough people to man all stations in the attack at once, thereby obviating the need to have a midfielder "dribble" into a zone and basically muck up the joint.

like in NFL football the quarterback and pass it, or he can run it. if he Michael Vicks it, there is no spacing consideration because the play is dead once he gets tackled. Michael Vick doesn't care about the pocket he just left. the quarterback who throws it has very small consideration upon an interception, play the deep field like a punter as the last resort against a run towards his goalline.

but if football were like rugby or just continuous, there would have to be consistent minding of the space you're vacating. to perpetually leave your position with a dribble (back to soccer) means you are CONTINUALLY leaving your area. so i honestly don't get the desire for someone breaking down the middle. what we need is someone who feels comfortable in the middle. and generally speaking, the way you make up for your lack of individual awesomeness at range/tackling/marking is by introducing another midfielder. in the past, the juggernaut of CMs who were simliar or just tactically inept Edu/Clark/Bradley (even good Bradley) made this a psuedo impossibility.

but now with the Hyndmans, Acosta, Nagbe, etc all these guys, I feel like we can play 3 in the middle and not have anything lost in attack. if anything i feel that strengthens our positional discipline and leaves attacking to the attackers, and the defending to 4 plus the 3 in front of them.

so in short, cartago delenda est, we need to play 3 in the middle

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #108
Wednesday April 3, 2019 4:43pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,450
Diskette has been balling it up in Korea. Scoring goals and playing really well. His team now sits a top of the K-league. Why aren't we talking about his return to the USMNT? He would actually be really good in that 10 role as well.

stone88
Post #109
Wednesday April 3, 2019 6:57pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,517
No thanks. Maybe a bench spot. Too many good youngsters to push Mix into the lineup simply because he is doin well in Korea.

blaise213
Post #110
Wednesday April 3, 2019 7:13pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,994
Mixx still in the mix for me

hamsamwich
Post #111
Wednesday April 3, 2019 7:15pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
He has more vision for the pass than a guy like Lletget or Gall or Green so yea I'd call him up. I have never understood the hate for this guy.

bjelks
Post #112
Wednesday April 3, 2019 8:22pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,363
Hard pass. He's extremely limited athletically, can't keep the ball against decent competition, can't beat decent competition 1v1, that vision is useless when the play speeds up and the defenders are better in press.
And he plays in Korea, I can't say that's even MLS level.

We still haven't seen Holmes or Sonora or even Pomykal.
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cudevil
Post #113
Thursday April 4, 2019 3:05am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 989
Original post from bjelks

Hard pass. He's extremely limited athletically, can't keep the ball against decent competition, can't beat decent competition 1v1, that vision is useless when the play speeds up and the defenders are better in press.
And he plays in Korea, I can't say that's even MLS level.

We still haven't seen Holmes or Sonora or even Pomykal.


Waaay back when we beat Germany and the Netherlands in the same week, Mix was one of the best players for the US and scored against Germany.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #114
Thursday April 4, 2019 7:48pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,450
Some yes. Some no. I think he could be an asset for the Gold Cup.

cudevil
Post #115
Friday April 5, 2019 12:06am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 989
Original post from 2tone

Some yes. Some no. I think he could be an asset for the Gold Cup.


Don't much care one way or the other. Just don't want to see a return of the Mix vs. Sacha Wars of '14.

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Charleston, South Carolina
Post #116
Friday April 5, 2019 12:44am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,408
Mix it uppppp. We need an actual 10. He and Mihailovic can battle it out for that creative role. Pulisic needs to be on the wing

bjelks
Post #117
Friday April 5, 2019 10:34am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,363
I'm sorry but this needs to be said. Mix sucks. The fact that we have a player that's Premier League caliber that's much younger hasn't been called in and we're talking about bringing back Mix because of his South Korean performances is absolutely insane and the exact reason we didn't Qualify last cycle.

In the Germany win, Mix didn't even play 10, he played wing. Bradley played 10, Agudelo played striker, Zardes played wing, and Venturo Alvarado played CB. If you guys think bringing back that lineup is a recipe for success, we have no hope. That game was an anomaly and should be taken with a grain of salt.
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db707
Post #118
Friday April 5, 2019 12:59pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,017
bjelks, who is that Premier League caliber player you are referring to? If it's Holmes he has never played in the Premier League.

hamsamwich
Post #119
Friday April 5, 2019 2:50pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
He's always been a polarizing figure. The Koreans always play a team oriented, technical and endurance testing soccer game. Playing there should never disqualify anyone from the national team (the same went for Lee Nguyen tearing up Vietnam but that's a different topic).

@bjelks- if you think he sucks, sure. But don't bash his technical or athletic skills that's just silly. He's always dribbled and passed well. Jurgen tried to work on his physical game and obviously it didn't really take. So the knock has always been work rate and physicality at the international level. Not passing, dribbling or vision.

@db707- I also think Holmes could play in the Premier League but it hasn't happened yet. I'm a big fan and have followed his rise for years, he just needs a chance. But his definitely right now a Championship level player. You're correct in pointing that out because that is the bjelks rating system.

bjelks
Post #120
Friday April 5, 2019 3:12pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,363
Yes I know Holmes plays currently plays in the Championship, but due to his ability to make Championship players look silly on a weekly basis, I believe he's good enough to and just needs a chance.

If we want to be rigid, Holmes is currently in the Championship which is significantly better than South Korea as well.

Back to Mix, the reason he has a problem with physicality, work rate, motor, engine whatever you wanna call it, is because of his massive physical or athletic limitations. At the international level, he's too slow, not quick enough, not strong enough to show this passing and dribbling ability.

I can take you to a park and show you better athletes with more skill than Mix that never had the opportunity Mix had. There's nothing a coach or more experience can do to help him. He just doesn't have it and never will.

Let's give these young guys who already play at a higher level with more potential a shot!
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