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Post #91
Tuesday January 13, 2015 10:12pm

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Should have gone to Tijuana instead.

blaise213
Post #92
Wednesday January 14, 2015 2:07am

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Original post from joey11

One question, why does everyone want older European players as DP's ahead of younger American players?


To give the league more credibility. Originally everyone was calling MLS a retirement league for signing these DP's but majority of the DP's are still going back to Europe on loan during MLS offseason or go to another club after MLS.

IMO, the formula for success with DP's should be 4 DP's = (3 DP's, 1 American DP)

*2 Big name DP's (Gerrard, Lampard, Cole, Defoe, Ronaldinho, Kaka, Totti, Pirlo, Robinho, Sneijder)
*1 young DP (Giovinco, Balotelli)
*1 American DP (Onyewu, Diskerud, Kljestan, Spector, Wood, Agudelo, Wooten, Lichaj)

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #93
Wednesday January 14, 2015 1:49pm

Joined Mar 2014
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Original post from joey11

Um hasn't JK been trying Mixx at DM and didn't Kries convert Beckerman to a DM??? Just saying!

One question, why does everyone want older European players as DP's ahead of younger American players?


Your first question reminds me of how maddening it is to see Mixx at DM with Bradley as AM, given that both are chosen to play. "Yeah, let's put the guy who can dribble into the area just in front of our back 4, and the guy with the motor and the tackles in front of him. Thanks Jurgen!!"

As for the DP thing, in this case it makes sense that Mixx is not DP. He's a sometimes-player in Norway. That's not DP money.

navi8132
Post #94
Wednesday January 14, 2015 2:03pm

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Mixx is about offensive flair. Fuck that if he becomes a DM. Fuck that.

hamsamwich
Post #95
Wednesday January 14, 2015 2:31pm

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So can Holden when given the chance, but it was his full game that made him special. If mix could sort of replicate that, he'd be great. Problem is, I don't think he has "it" in him like Holden or jones do. Or even Bradley.

dolcem
Post #96
Tuesday April 11, 2017 6:26pm

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Mix scored a goal over the weekend. Looks like he cut his hair, too. If he has a good season, what do you guys think his chances are of making it back into the NT picture? With Jones being phased out and Bradley continuing to be MLS Bradley, I'd like to see Mix given a shot at CM. We definitely don't need him as a #10 now that we have Pulisic.
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TheTruth
Post #97
Tuesday April 11, 2017 8:53pm

Joined Dec 2013
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No chance. Wasn't he voted "most overrated" by MLS players in their poll a couple of months ago?
I always liked him (and I suspect others feel the same way) because his ratio of "great-plays" -to- "minutes played for USMNT" was always sky high [remember Eddie Johnson? Bwahahaha]. But he just didn't pan out IMO. Wasn't as good as people hoped. And he was one of those weird guys that people talked about being a young prospect even when he was 23-34. The top leagues in Europe looked at him for years and said, meh.

dolcem
Post #98
Tuesday April 11, 2017 9:36pm

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Original post from TheTruth

No chance. Wasn't he voted "most overrated" by MLS players in their poll a couple of months ago?
I always liked him (and I suspect others feel the same way) because his ratio of "great-plays" -to- "minutes played for USMNT" was always sky high [remember Eddie Johnson? Bwahahaha]. But he just didn't pan out IMO. Wasn't as good as people hoped. And he was one of those weird guys that people talked about being a young prospect even when he was 23-34. The top leagues in Europe looked at him for years and said, meh.


He went to literally the worst team he possibly could have chosen. They already had two other CM's on the team who played zero defense. You can't say a player didn't pan out just because he made one horrible decision on where to play. And the EJ comparison doesn't hold up. EJ scored a bunch of goals against CONCACAF minnows. Diskerud has looked comfortable against top-flight opposition.

He isn't good enough for one of the top European leagues but he probably could have played for a mid-table Eredevisie team. He went for the money instead. But if he starts playing well, I think he deserves a chance. Jones is probably too old and we need to look for an alternative to Bradley. Where does that leave us at CM? Sacha Kljestan?
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hamsamwich
Post #99
Tuesday April 11, 2017 11:03pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Ah yes the Mix vs Sacha debate.... one more time!

Yea of course he could re enter the picture but not what he's doing now. Maybe post Russia 2018 unless he has one hell of a season this year and next. I liked the Jürgen project of moving him farther back to help spread the field and improve our passing. For me though, he's currently on a worse trajectory than Sacha because I couldn't see Mix as he currently is being a leader for a team like Anderlecht, or taking the MLS by storm upon his return. His "measurables" as they say in the NFL are great (he's scored and assisted on some great USA goals) but his overall impact falls short. I agree with Jürgen he needs to have more aggression because offensively he has great vision but I'd compare him to Kljestan in the way that both are too "lightweight" to play as one of two CMs, their games aren't complete enough defensively.

Rey Regicide
Post #100
Wednesday April 12, 2017 2:17pm

Joined Sep 2013
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Everyone says Diskerud is light weight. He does more defensively than Bedoya does/did at CM. His workrate isn't light. It's his ability to play with people offensively and control a game. Which is more egregious. Since he's a perceived playmaker.

TheTruth
Post #101
Thursday April 13, 2017 2:26am

Joined Dec 2013
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Oh for fuckssake I brought up EJ for comic relief and I wasn't comparing him to Mix. And to the extent I was making a comparison it was basically the opposite of what you imply. EJ sucked. He sprinted 10 yards twice at the 06 WC and Fulham gave him a contract. Mix got a trip to Brazil. Well-deserved IMO. And he road the bench in Brazil. Also well-deserved IMO.

Again, No, he ain't getting any more chances with USMNT. I guess we'll find out in the next 12 months.

dolcem
Post #102
Thursday April 13, 2017 9:28pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,679
Original post from TheTruth

Oh for fuckssake I brought up EJ for comic relief and I wasn't comparing him to Mix. And to the extent I was making a comparison it was basically the opposite of what you imply. EJ sucked. He sprinted 10 yards twice at the 06 WC and Fulham gave him a contract. Mix got a trip to Brazil. Well-deserved IMO. And he road the bench in Brazil. Also well-deserved IMO.

Again, No, he ain't getting any more chances with USMNT. I guess we'll find out in the next 12 months.


So assuming that Bradley plays as the #6, who would you like to see as the other CM? Jones? Kljestan? Nagbe? Hyndman? Aside from Jones, I look at those names and think Diskerud should at least be in the conversation.
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Rey Regicide
Post #103
Friday April 14, 2017 12:21pm

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Nagbe of course, why not Nagbe?

Rey Regicide
Post #104
Friday April 14, 2017 12:22pm

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Or why not partner Bradley with Nagbe and another Mid, it seems like any permutation of Wood, Morris, Altidore Dempsey and most importantly Pulisic is going to get us results int h attacking third. Hell throw in Fabian, we don't need our mids to be creative or to attack.

skangles
DC
Post #105
Friday April 14, 2017 9:01pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 4,989
The CM partnership that I would like to see trialed in a Friendly or perhaps at the Gold Cup is Hyndman-Acosta. They grew up playing together in Dallas and listening to Hyndman on the SBI podcast a few weeks ago, it sounds like they still have a bond. More importantly, they complement each other on the field. This would be more for the future, certainly, but I'd like to see it in action.

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