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richieJkulesaNY
Post #76
Friday December 19, 2014 3:57pm

Joined Jun 2012
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Original post from cleancutimage

Well Garber is still babying the league and being extra cautious. He wasn't to keep the league parity as long as possible. You know clubs like Columbus would not be able to compete with clubs like Galaxy, NYCFC, Sounders if he allowed players to go wherever they want. I think they should raise the salary cap substantially and add one more DP but Garber thinks he knows best.
I think better players will only increase the butts in the seats. Those days of college kids playing are almost over. You need players who eat, sleep and breathe soccer.
But if Mix does sign then I think the MLS has struck out because of their policy. Because Xolos is not America. If he went to America then I would say good move for him.


College players arent going anywhere. How else are you going to fill out an MLS roster?

http://www.stathunting.com/2014/04/11/mls-sal...

richieJkulesaNY
Post #77
Friday December 19, 2014 4:01pm

Joined Jun 2012
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Original post from cleancutimage

Mexican league is better yes but not so much better that you would go there at this point in your career if you had other opportunities elsewhere especially if you are trying to help develop the game in the States. As for Holland, Holland is the perfect example of being able to play on a big club, in a well-respected league but not lost in the sauce of a Premier League, Serie A, Bundesliga. I would love for a player to play 8+ seasons at a club like Ajax or PSV. Even though they have become more feeder clubs, you can build quite a career there. Instead of going to a Sunderland, Stoke or Hull and killing your reputation.


Its not on the players to "develop" the game in the United States. Thats on the USSF. Players have to worry about their own careers and thats what Mix is doing.

What if Mix tears it up in Mexico? Its very possible a good Euro club could come calling and there would be no issue with transferring. CMIIW, but Xolos would negotiate the transfer and then keep all the money. Mix wouldnt have to worry about being held hostage by MLS because of their concern to "grow the game" and what kind of value that adds to a player.

hamsamwich
Post #78
Friday December 19, 2014 4:20pm

Joined Oct 2013
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That's a great post Richie. It's about control for Garber and his crew, not parity. Garber and te MLS stylize themselves as the American version of the Premier League, which has more power, and laughs at, the English FA. Many times to the detriment of the English national team, but very profitable for the owners of EPL clubs. The MLS bosses could care less about the "growth" of the game here in the USA, unless we are talking about their "brand" growing.

Mix diskerud telling it like it is was a much needed salvo- it makes clear the point that it isn't just Jurgen who thinks the MLS' hierarchy and ever changing rules need to change. Someone needed to say it. Also Mix has family and friends in SoCal, and as I understand Tijuana is right over the border. It's not like he's playing for Chiapas or something. Good for him, the Mexican league has been growing and spending more, it's a good league to show your talent. Plenty of South American players there as well, not just Mexicans.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #79
Friday December 19, 2014 4:40pm

Joined Jul 2012
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It's on anyone that wants to see soccer grow and develop in the US. That would mean yes it's on the players to help it develop, as well as the governing bodies, the fans, the media etc... yes the players have to worry about their careers, but the NFL and NBA got to what it is today because the players helped develop and grow those leagues.

hamsamwich
Post #80
Friday December 19, 2014 5:06pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Yea but there weren't NBA or NFL in every country back then... These guys have choices.

It was famously said of NFL founder and Bears owner George Halas that "he threw nickels around like manhole covers", meaning he was a cheap ass. And he could be, because those players had no other options. But today in soccer the players have the power, except here in the USA with Uncle Don in charge (de facto) of soccer in the USA, at least from a business and money perspective. Get with the times MLS.

dolcem
Post #81
Friday December 19, 2014 11:05pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Doesn't Liga MX also have very arbitrary rules regarding player contracts?

Anyway, not sure if I like this move. Sure it's better than the MLS and a good place for an attacking midfielder like Mixx to play (creative, free-flowing style of play), but Liga MX is not a good platform from which to make a transfer to Europe. He'd be much better off going to a mid-table Dutch team (both for the style of play and opportunities at landing a transfer to an even better league), and they recruit heavily from the Scandinavian leagues so it's not like it's a long shot.
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cleancutimage
Post #82
Saturday December 20, 2014 6:19am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,176
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

College players arent going anywhere. How else are you going to fill out an MLS roster?

http://www.stathunting.com/2014/04/11/mls-sal...


Yes college players are not going anywhere because the salary cap is so low. Once the salary cap is raised quite a bit and that may be a few years. You will see very few college players. Right now yes college players are needed because they are relatively cheap and you still have some quality players but once the league gets bigger and plays larger salaries, you will see fewer and fewer college players.

As for the development, it is up to the players absolutely. Like 2Tone said, the NBA & NFL did not get to where it is overnight but why can't the league develop before US Soccer develops? I wouldn't mind seeing foreigners take over the league for awhile if that is going to challenge our players to become more technical and have a better understanding of the game. We still play an inferior style of soccer. JK hasn't changed the style like he wants to because we don't have 10 technical field players on the field at once who can play a possession style.
A lot of people(neutral fans) are not attracted to MLS because it still is an inferior style of soccer because teams lose possession to easily or cannot connect more than 3 or 4 passes together or their tactics are too negative. That is why players like Henry got so frustrated because he realized he was playing with guys who are only professional in their mentality.

cleancutimage
Post #83
Saturday December 20, 2014 6:21am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,176
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Its not on the players to "develop" the game in the United States. Thats on the USSF. Players have to worry about their own careers and thats what Mix is doing.

What if Mix tears it up in Mexico? Its very possible a good Euro club could come calling and there would be no issue with transferring. CMIIW, but Xolos would negotiate the transfer and then keep all the money. Mix wouldnt have to worry about being held hostage by MLS because of their concern to "grow the game" and what kind of value that adds to a player.


If Mix tears it up in Mexico and goes back to Europe good for him but if you are going to come to Mexico you might as well come to MLS. I understand the Mexican league is better. But I feel for a guy like Mix it is a top 5 European league or MLS. But I am not Mix.

admsghs27
Post #84
Tuesday January 13, 2015 7:35am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 5,992
Heading to NYCFC most likely, i hope is not for a DP contract but if it is i guess so. I think a Defender like a Thiago Silva, or Pepe, or Ramos, demichelis, zabaleta, etc would be a good DP signing.

blaise213
Post #85
Tuesday January 13, 2015 8:07am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,404
My brother said he just got the sportscenter alert saying Diskerud signed with NYCFC but I haven't seen any other media reports. Going to be announced tomorrow.

Im with you on the NON-DP contract. I'm hoping this is a regular signing for MLS with the increased salary cap. There is a lot of good Euro talent linked to this January transfer window (Emmanuel Adebayor, Sebastian Giovinco, Dos Santos, Robinho). Also heard that Orlando City is going after Pato.

MLS could really make a splash this year with the addition of an American DP slot. Once again, imagine NYCFC having Diskerud, Lampard, Villa, and Balotelli... Toronto FC would load up heavily.

We'll see tomorrow!

navi8132
Post #86
Tuesday January 13, 2015 5:42pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,607
He's signed. That's a good way to divert attention away from Lampard. Many of those criticizing are big Mixx fanboys.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #87
Tuesday January 13, 2015 5:49pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,138
I would expect to see many more Brazilians coming to MLS in the coming years. Their league/teams is/are in huge financial trouble.

Good get for NYCFC. But when Lampard arrives where does MIx play in Kreis' diamond 4-4-2? Because you know Lampard will be the CAM which leaves Mix to be the DM. I wouldn't necessarily say Mix is a proper DM, but neither was Beckerman when Kreis put him at DM.

Should be interesting to see how that dynamic play's out for NYCFC.

Rey Regicide
Post #88
Tuesday January 13, 2015 5:53pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,774
Well now, I guess the debate can open up as to whether Kries is flexible to incorporate two midfielders with attacking characteristics and forego the diamond. Because he's a good coach.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #89
Tuesday January 13, 2015 7:57pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 2,895
What a get for NYCFC. Not a DP either.

Its a good move for Mix. Plus this doesn't necessarily mean the end of his time in Europe. He's 24 with a Norwegian passport.
3 or 4 good years in NYC could get him a big move to a top four league.

joey11
Post #90
Tuesday January 13, 2015 9:44pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 263
Um hasn't JK been trying Mixx at DM and didn't Kries convert Beckerman to a DM??? Just saying!

One question, why does everyone want older European players as DP's ahead of younger American players?

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