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dolcem
Post #31
Friday October 18, 2013 7:09am

Joined Nov 2012
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CM is totally distinct from the attacking midfield positions...we don't have any players that can play both except for just maybe Diskerud as a CAM (I guess you could also include Torres in that category, who has played LM and CAM for us before even though neither is his position). We also have plenty of threads talking about the CM situation (particularly the Bradley/Jones one). So let's just talk about the attacking mids here, which is the biggest conundrum the team has.

Here our attacking mid options (either CAM or on the wing):

Dempsey
Donovan (and by the way, he is definitely not a CM)
Bedoya
Castillo
F. Johnson
Diskerud
Torres
Zusi
Beasley
Corona
Davis
Shea
EJ
Arriola?

Some of those guys could only play on the wing and others could only play as the CAM but that's the list as I see it. And it's a very depressing one.

AJ isn't a winger and would be out of place there so I didn't include him (nothing wrong with having a really good striker to come off the bench, and at the rate things are going, he'll take Altidore's place).

Corona and Shea are decent players when playing for their clubs and in form but that's not the case for either right now, and I have a feeling it won't be this season.

I'm curious to see what Castillo can do as a LM. Bedoya hasn't been great for us but the fact that he is starting as a winger in Ligue 1 puts him near the top of the list, IMO.

Dempsey and Donovan are old, past it, and out of form. Who knows what will happen with them. I like the idea of one of them coming off the bench to run at tired defenses and not have to worry about getting gassed (and not be too tired for stoppage time heroics). But obviously at least one has to start.

Diskerud isn't quite good enough to play as the CAM for us in important matches.

Fabian Johnson is definitely needed at LB. Because neither Castillo nor Beasley is good enough defensively to handle non-CONCACAF opponents.

Davis can cross the ball but he can't do anything else. All EJ has is pace and he is definitely not a winger and looks unnatural there.

This leaves us with a very short list: Dempsey, Donovan, Bedoya, Castillo (LM), Zusi, and Beasley. Zusi and Beasley are both great professionals who have performed admirably against CONCACAF opposition but it's obvious that they will be in way over their heads against quality World Cup opposition. Especially Zusi.

I'd like to see this (in the 4-5-1):

Castillo Dempsey Bedoya

Donovan off the bench to save the day. Maybe bring on Beasley or possibly Zusi if Castillo gets tired.
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chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #32
Friday October 18, 2013 7:18am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 294
My biggest fear is that we play the most individually talented 11 instead of the 11 that play best together. Along those lines we have two sacred cows in JJ and Deuce.

I know JK loves JJ, but it looks poor when he plays with MB. And I'd rather see Johannsson underneath Jozy in the 4-2-3-1 than Deuce. Johannsson has to be a starter.

I disagree that LD's best position is in the middle for the Nats, even though he plays there for the Gals. Against WC competition he would get hammered there. It would be worse than the GC Costa Rica game where they sandwiched him with front and back defenders. He couldn't find the game until he retreated to the flank. He exploits space. I still think it is easier for him to have more space outside and then cut in when he sees the opportunity.

I still think the most complementary mid with MB is Cameron...still need to figure out if he's needed at CB...still too many unknowns. I don't like JJ with MB and Beckerman, Kljestan, or Mix with MB would be a big stressor at the WC...it has to be Cameron.

skangles
DC
Post #33
Friday October 18, 2013 1:10pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,972
Original post from chris_thebassplayer

My biggest fear is that we play the most individually talented 11 instead of the 11 that play best together. Along those lines we have two sacred cows in JJ and Deuce.

I know JK loves JJ, but it looks poor when he plays with MB. And I'd rather see Johannsson underneath Jozy in the 4-2-3-1 than Deuce. Johannsson has to be a starter.

I disagree that LD's best position is in the middle for the Nats, even though he plays there for the Gals. Against WC competition he would get hammered there. It would be worse than the GC Costa Rica game where they sandwiched him with front and back defenders. He couldn't find the game until he retreated to the flank. He exploits space. I still think it is easier for him to have more space outside and then cut in when he sees the opportunity.

I still think the most complementary mid with MB is Cameron...still need to figure out if he's needed at CB...still too many unknowns. I don't like JJ with MB and Beckerman, Kljestan, or Mix with MB would be a big stressor at the WC...it has to be Cameron.


I agree with all of this. Good post. I believe Jones will be getting surgery which would give others a chance in the Nov. friendlies.

rainORshine
Post #34
Friday October 18, 2013 2:39pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,773
no clear-cut solutions but couple comments on above:

castillo - i realize he sees himself as a mid/wing but he is a LB at tijuana and JK gave him an opportunity at LM in the gold cup tune-up game - and it looked pretty bad. usually you put an attacking OB at outside mid and suddenly they dont look so great. there is almost no chance castillo will move from 3rd string LB into a starting attacking position

cameron:
- 2 starts in CM for US
- RB at stoke
- previously CB in houston
- just started at CB v jamaica
i guess there is a slim chance that JK still considers cameron a good CM option, but without getting any minutes there with stoke I would assume that if he started at CM in brazil it would look a lot more like costa rica than panama. november should ultimately tell us where JK wants to use cameron

skangles
DC
Post #35
Friday October 18, 2013 3:34pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,972
I think JK said in an interview that he sees Cameron as a CB. I like Cameron as a CM but I think he would only play there again at this point due to injuries or suspensions. I agree with Chris the bass player that Cameron is the best fit next to MB even if JK doesn't agree.

The interesting angle is how JK treats Cameron on the 23 man roster. Does he bring 4 CBs + Cameron at which point Cameron would be taking a RB or CM spot on the roster?

rainORshine
Post #36
Friday October 18, 2013 4:24pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,773
Original post from skangles

I think JK said in an interview that he sees Cameron as a CB. I like Cameron as a CM but I think he would only play there again at this point due to injuries or suspensions. I agree with Chris the bass player that Cameron is the best fit next to MB even if JK doesn't agree.

The interesting angle is how JK treats Cameron on the 23 man roster. Does he bring 4 CBs + Cameron at which point Cameron would be taking a RB or CM spot on the roster?


most likely there will be 7 other defenders... meaning cameron basically occupies either an RB or CB spot. seems like the way things are headed...

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #37
Friday October 18, 2013 4:49pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,153
Original post from rainORshine
i guess there is a slim chance that JK still considers cameron a good CM option


I don't know that that is necessarily the case. He could see him as a viable/good option in CM, but finds that he's much more needed in defense.

Same way that Donovan/Dempsey could be used as strikers, but their much more valuable as midfielders.

Know Nothing
Post #38
Friday October 18, 2013 4:58pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 368
Personally, I would rather see Evans play CM before Cameron. Cameron's first touch is not the best and he is too ponderous on the ball.

Lykou11601
Post #39
Friday October 18, 2013 8:00pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 122
Calling Cameron ponderous on the ball and suggesting he be replaced with Evans is kind of absurd. Evans with the ball at his feet is scary.

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